Making Things With Ryan Shelton/
- September 30, 2020
Ryan Shelton joins us for Hump Day Replay! We look back at some highlights from the week of The Daily Talk Show and chat about the idea of work and play, Zac Efron and Byron Bay, perfectionism and feedback, seeking permission to create, and we do some improv.
On this episode of Hump Day Replay:
- The idea of work and play
- Feeling like a child
- Zac Efron and Byron Bay
- Ryan Shelton Trivia
- Screenplay Sunday and perfectionism
- Feedback and criticism
- Seeking permission to create
- Improv and being put on the spot
This is produced by BIG MEDIA COMPANY.
[00:00:00] George Martin: Georgie boy here. This is the show. Got
Ryan Shelton: the show for all new listeners
George Martin: directly. We're gonna get a few for this episode. Where we look back at the week of highlights from the daily talk show, and also go further back into the archives and link them up cleverly. So we add guests for the day. We've got the usual producing cask, race, Mason and Jess and writer, producer, performer, and cohost of the imperfect podcast.
Ryan Shelton: Thanks Jay. Bye. Thanks everybody. Wow. What's nice. Well, she's just hanging out.
[00:01:00] were you guys hoping I'd come with with a, like a prepared anecdote
Mason Lauder: stories that you could go into?
Ryan Shelton: You know? Okay. Well, you know what, tomorrow morning is pretty exciting for me. Cause I'm getting some new carpet light. Oh, great. Really? And that is really going to be great.
Jess Lucas: Why did you go for,
Ryan Shelton: well, I've actually gone.
It's a good question. Yes. Um, ah, I've actually gone carpet tiles because it's sort of, it's in my little like workspace, which is just out there and, and it's exciting. It's exciting because I've, I've decided to. Get like carpet tiles that are like one section of the room is going to be bright blue.
Another section is going to be red and another section is going to be yellow. So I'm just going to, it's going to be like a whole different sections and I'm going to just, it's just this really bright it's essentially essentially turning into Tom. Yeah. Like Tom Hanks from big becoming friends. You don't know if you haven't seen the movie big.
[00:02:00] Yeah, well, that's, it's, it's, it's a classic kind of eighties movie about, so Tom Hanks, uh, pretty early Tom Hanks, I'd say, and it's, it's a great cultural reference. You should watch it because it does provide, well, it lets you into conversations like this. Um, but, um, but no, it's really, really good. So the basic premise is that, uh, Oh, well, there's a boy, I forget his name, but he's like maybe 12 or 13 and he wishes he was older and he like goes to this.
He stays this kind of, kind of fortune teller machine. Well, you can make a wish at this fair, uh, down, down on the pier and he wishes that he was big and the next morning he wakes up in his parents' house, like in his boyhood bedroom. And he's all of a sudden, overnight he's become like a 40 year old or 30 year old man.
So it's like a boy living in a grownup's body, right? Yeah. I mean, me talking, maybe just explaining it the same as mad because I've been, I feel like everyone knows [00:03:00] big, but clearly yeah.
Jess Lucas: Female version of that with Jennifer Ghana. Is that her last name? Um, when she becomes 30? Yes. Yes. Yeah.
Ryan Shelton: It's probably the same.
Mason Lauder: Is it, is it the opposite? Is it the opposite of 17 again with second?
Jess Lucas: Yes. I was also thinking of that to me.
Mason Lauder: I don't know Zach here from become 17 and then goes back to high school.
Ryan Shelton: Isn't he 17. Anyway,
George Martin: he probably filmed it when he was like 19.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. It's just a really subtle storyline where it's like a 19 year old wakes up as a 17 year old boy.
Grace Peris: That's the deal with the world?
George Martin: I mean, pretty crazy. Well, this week, Tommy was actually talking about, uh, doing things in your adult life that take you back to being a kid. Like, you know, what can you do that now? That's. A bit more playful. He took Bodhi out to fly kites [00:04:00] and stuff like that. He was asking Josh what, what he could do as a kid, as an adult.
To feel like a kid again. Yeah. Like doing sandcastles and stuff. What do you think you could, you could do?
Ryan Shelton: Well it's, I mean, I feel like that is what I do
Grace Peris: my job.
Ryan Shelton: I mean, I feel like this year, particularly I've been because especially during the lockdown period, I've, I've just been making videos and things that are just things that I feel like I probably would've wanted to make when I was younger.
Yeah. Um, but it, but it has sort of meant that I've. I've given myself like that kind of excuse to just play and not have any sort of grand reasons why I should be doing anything. And that's kind of what kids do. Kids just do things for no reason. Whereas when you get it, when you get older, you feel like, ah, this is kind of a waste of time, unless there's that actual purpose for this.
Like, I shouldn't, I should only do this if I'm like, if it's like my job or it's going to lead me to something else. But when you're a kid, you're not thinking if I do this, then I'll. Unless [00:05:00] you're like doing something as an obligation to be able to do the fun thing, but the, the, the idea of play is something that I'm trying to do more of.
But that's sounds like what Tommy, Tommy's probably talking about that feeling of just doing things for fun. Yeah. I mean, what do you do, George for fun? Well,
George Martin: good question. I mean, I don't know. I feel like this and yeah. Making videos and stuff. Same thing. This is taking me back to my childhood and my childhood.
I'm going to reveal myself. In this episode, Ryan is as a fance. It'd be kind of,
Ryan Shelton: I apologize.
George Martin: I'm glad I'm
Ryan Shelton: here,
George Martin: but I, um, so I used to watch all your stuff, like real stories, um, et cetera.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah.
George Martin: Real stories. Yeah, everything I'm actually wearing. So to start us off, I thought I'd wear
Ryan Shelton: the perfect holiday. Oh my God.
George Martin: How does that make you feel? Is that a bit cringe or is that
Ryan Shelton: no, not cringe. I think it's [00:06:00] awesome. It's like, yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it is bizarre, especially cause like something like that, like, cause it's kind of the last big show we made. Um, um, I dunno. I mean, maybe it's true different for you guys cause you guys are making something every single day.
Uh, do you guys like, well, I finished my thought sometimes when you have like distance from a show, you kind of get, you can kind of see it in a different way or from a distance, from anything you make and you kind of go back to it and you're like, Oh yeah, that was, that was that thing that we did when you're in the middle of it.
You're not really thinking, I don't know. I feel like you're kind of separated from it or something. So when I see you wearing that, I just, it makes me remember, Oh, that was a fun thing to make. And so that was good. Yeah. So thanks. That's right.
George Martin: I was actually, so when you appeared at the. Fire a fundraiser show, the live Bush bushfire relief.
Ryan Shelton: Um,
George Martin: I, um, I was wearing this on the day and I came to the show and then I took it off because I didn't know if that was,
Ryan Shelton: it'd be a way
[00:07:00] George Martin: to get a bit like. If you're going to like, Oh, that's cool. Or if you're going to add, it's a bit weird, he's just
Mason Lauder: easier to do the reveal virtually.
Ryan Shelton: Now I was probably too like caught up in my own nerves of what I was going to say at that push from what everyone else was wearing.
Um, but now
George Martin: you're a math guy.
Ryan Shelton: Like
George Martin: you have bought some daily talk show much before
Ryan Shelton: love much. Love me, love it. Well, I don't, I don't buy that much any more, but I went through a real phase. Um, and I still do love back to the future too. And back to the future films in general. But I went like from my, from probably when I was 17, 18, I guess, from as young as when I had a disposable income of sorts to buy my own things, um, uh, I would buy back to the future things, but it was like this, and this was like, just before back to the future became, I feel like there was a point where it became quite big in the cultural.
I dunno. There's like lots of back to the future stuff. But back when [00:08:00] I first started buying back to the future stuff, I felt like it was really, really hard to find stuff. It was just nothing out there. So I would buy I've still got a lot of it, like stupid things like the, and this isn't merged, but the trilogy on VHS from Japan, like things like that, like
Mason Lauder: just buying it off
Ryan Shelton: eBay.
Well, that one I actually got when I was in Japan, I was always in like an HMV or something in Tokyo and there was the collectors and everything's in, in Japanese. It was just like, and then I'd buy like all the figurines and stuff, but merchant, merchant. I kinda like, I think the reason I buy a merchant is just something it's probably because I probably don't even wear it that much.
It's more just something as a memento of that Mo a moment in time, I guess, to go like, Oh yeah, I went to that concert or I, I, yeah, I dunno. Yeah.
Grace Peris: Yeah.
Ryan Shelton: Well, Josh is always,
George Martin: Josh is always telling stories of when he was a kid. And, um, [00:09:00] and I've, I've wanted to, every time I hear him say the words when I was a kid, I giggle a little bit because he says it often.
And I reckon now after I play this, he's going to be slightly conscious of bringing it up all the time.
Ryan Shelton: So I've just shown that he's not a kid anymore. I think he's going to say Josh has a bit of a big kid, like definitely.
George Martin: Yeah. So I've just cut together. A few of my favorite stories of Josh's from muscle when he was a kid.
Grace Peris: When, uh, when I was a kid, when I was a kid, when I was a kid, when I was a kid, when I was a kid, I, uh, sponsored, uh, an award for the awards night for the year twelves. So media flakes, my business,
Ryan Shelton: I gave it, I gave a check for a hundred dollars to
Grace Peris: the winner of the media award. When I was a kid, I was like, I saw myself as sort of an art buyer point and international student who knocked on our door.
Ryan Shelton: So it's like, okay,
Grace Peris: what are you fucking go? I just remember mum coming home. Whoops. Yeah, what's this painting. It's a border. What do you mean? I fucking bought my [00:10:00] first piece of art when I was a kid I got in trouble for spying on my parents. Mum said when she found it, when I was a kid, I bought handcuffs.
They were real, it was my, it would have been my 12th birthday. Uh, my uncle said they weren't real. So I decided to handcuff him and I pushed him. Okay onto the bed. So we didn't say them for years.
Ryan Shelton: It's so rare that the uncle has PTSD from what his nephew
Grace Peris: did to him.
Mason Lauder: Well, that's like the story could definitely go two ways.
He was getting pushed onto the
Ryan Shelton: Lake. Yeah. Funny story. Yeah. Full on. Wow.
George Martin: Josh stops telling those stories. Cause I think they're just great.
Ryan Shelton: They're so good. Yeah. He's, he's done some really. I remember once he's probably told this song. Um, he's probably told this on the show, but when he bought, I think he bought like a hundred of the same book about that.
So that was, yeah. Yeah.
[00:11:00] George Martin: Kind of when I first met him, I actually, um, so I, okay. This is another, another story of how I've, I'm a fan. I met Josh through Josh speaking, the episode
Ryan Shelton: that you were on. Oh yeah, that was great. Just speaking, I see you listened to it and got in touch with him.
George Martin: Yes. So I listened to it and then I got in touch with him, like years later, like.
So I listened to it probably 2014, I reckon. And then my friend Rob said, you gotta listen to this podcast. It's great. And then I listened to it and then I got in touch with him, like a couple of years later because of that episode. Oh, I'm so good. And then I started working with him in his little shared office in Collingwood, and he had this big box of books.
Yeah, I like those are like thousand dollars worth of the same.
Jess Lucas: I know. Let me guess. Is it Seth guard?
Ryan Shelton: I think it was, it probably was I think it was, it was, it was either that or some other similar marketing style.
George Martin: Yeah, that was it. It was a marketing one.
Ryan Shelton: I think
Mason Lauder: there's still like an artist was in there.
George Martin: I think that was in
Ryan Shelton: clay. On
[00:12:00] Mason Lauder: one of those. Is there?
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. He's he's all in. Isn't he?
Jess Lucas: The thing is he doesn't read. Not often,
Ryan Shelton: but that's okay. I read it
Jess Lucas: of writing and you can see his background. You can see the beautiful bookcase with all these gorgeous books and you open it or he opens it rather. And you can see that they're CrisPaz.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah, but that's a bit like that's a, that is, that's not a bad reason to buy books as like decoration. Cause it's kind of like, it isn't expensive. Cause I read it. I read something about S a S. On the, on the weekend, it was some interview with some sort of review or something. Anyway, it doesn't really matter who he was.
He said, what I like to do is go into a bookshop every single day and buy a book. And of course he's not going to read them, but he dislikes having books around. Like he just likes having books lying around in every room of his house, which I can kind of, maybe not so much if it was like novels. Um, but if they were like coffee table books, I kind of liked the idea of [00:13:00] having just lots of Emory.
Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.
George Martin: My parents own a bookshelf up in Byron Bay. And so they could really, yeah, like the main one. And if you
Grace Peris: call the full crew,
Ryan Shelton: it's a good time for a bookshop or the book room. I think I do know that.
George Martin: Yeah, it's the big one. It's the
Ryan Shelton: main one.
Grace Peris: No, not the small one.
Ryan Shelton: It's the main one.
George Martin: Yeah.
Ryan Shelton: The main one. Yeah.
Jess Lucas: Have they spotted Zac Efron yet?
Ryan Shelton: He is,
Jess Lucas: yeah, he's got it. And she is leaving my dream runs away to
Grace Peris: Jess.
Jess Lucas: It's just so upsetting.
Ryan Shelton: Well, because, because she, is she an Australian girl dating back here? Yeah.
Jess Lucas: And they met in a cafe set up, um, the deck Zack, and then she's not working anymore. He's like canceled.
Please take it back to the U S and he's staying in Byron Bay. I just want it for lunch and being real [00:14:00] cute.
Ryan Shelton: I wonder which cafe
Jess Lucas: that'd be mates with
Ryan Shelton: Oh, the main one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Byron Bay's becoming like a real little mini Hollywood, isn't it?
George Martin: Yeah.
Ryan Shelton: Like last time I went, it felt very. Um, and not that this necessarily would put me off, but it, it there's that arts district.
And by, you know, that the kind of industrial area. Yep, yep. Is that what's called the industrial estate. Yeah. Industrial strategy. Yeah. Yeah. And that felt very, that felt like walking around and just instead of houses and buildings, just Instagram accounts, like everyone had like, such a look like the shops and the people.
Yeah. I dunno. When was that? A few years ago? Um, I think it was, I think it was like maybe two years ago. Yeah. A year and a
George Martin: half ago. That's when it started to like, become a place where people are living and setting up their little stores. But before that it was like industrial.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. So how did that change?
What [00:15:00] someone's just like,
George Martin: I think it's just a little bit cheaper rent and it's kind of turned into this
Ryan Shelton: me more sort of, yeah.
George Martin: And people liked the idea of living in a warehouse and.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah, which is kind of cool. Yeah. Let me cooperate and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So what else has happened this week? DTS.
George Martin: Oh, nice.
Lots. Lots has happened. Um, but before we get into the next. Stuff that's happened. Yeah.
Ryan Shelton: Let's stick to the structure. Let's stick to the six of us. Yeah. Come on. Ryan told you I'm bloody Mary,
George Martin: I think, uh,
Ryan Shelton: uh,
George Martin: Mason had a bit of a game.
Mason Lauder: Yes. So yeah. I mean JBS or, um,
Grace Peris: yeah,
Jess Lucas: play that with the new carpet, Ryan, how exciting.
Mason Lauder: That could be great.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah.
Mason Lauder: JV has added himself as a bit of a fan boy. And [00:16:00] so we thought we could do a little bit of a trivia. Um, Ryan with you and Bay, where I'm going to read out a quote from them, something that you've had a hand or that you've hand in making or something that you've made throughout your career.
And you and George are going to have to guess where the line or the quote comes from.
Ryan Shelton: I feel that this is, this feels right. It's really exciting because even though I don't think I'll, I mean, I feel like these are the sorts of interviews that I dreamed of being in a position. Like when I was a kid,
Grace Peris: like this is
Ryan Shelton: quite a privilege.
What about myself? Thanks. Okay.
George Martin: I don't think because it's your, it's your work that will say it's, it's got its own opener.
Ryan Shelton: He does know a lot of Ryan Shelton trivia.
Wow. All the times I've been mentioned on the daily
Grace Peris: show.
[00:17:00] Ryan Shelton: Yeah.
Alright, thanks for carving that together. Thanks. That's awesome.
Mason Lauder: Oh, yesterday actually it took him. Sorry. Alright. The first one. And so there's no particular order and it's pulled from any thing that you've made across your career.
Ryan Shelton: So, so I've, I've had a credit on, so this is a quote from something I've had a credit in.
I had a hand in something.
Mason Lauder: Yeah. But most of them you're, you're actually, I think you're actually the person saying them, so yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Ryan Shelton: So what do we have to say? What show or whatever?
Mason Lauder: Yeah. So, so let me know what show wore short film it's from. Okay. And then, yeah,
Ryan Shelton: so not to show her short .
Mason Lauder: Okay.
George Martin: Okay, great.
Mason Lauder: The first one, wait a second. He more than liked me. He loves me. He really, really loves me. [00:18:00] Oh,
Grace Peris: wow.
George Martin: It sounds, I mean, I reckon it's something from Rome or I can, it's like,
Ryan Shelton: I feel like I've lost the fascination
George Martin: and
Ryan Shelton: stuff. Yeah. It is it, is
Grace Peris: it, is it
Ryan Shelton: the, is it the philosophy stationing on.
Grace Peris: Oh,
Ryan Shelton: Oh fuck.
I can't remember. I have no idea. I remember, I remember I can hear me saying it. I just don't know what
Mason Lauder: it is. Philosophize stationing does.
Ryan Shelton: Okay. Ah right. Of course. Yeah.
Grace Peris: Yeah.
Jess Lucas: Also, is this a collaboration thing that we're working together then? Isn't it.
George Martin: Oh yeah. I mean, surely we should be pissing each other, but
Jess Lucas: you're giving him hates hints.
Ryan Shelton: Okay. Well, surely I got to go first. That's cool.
Jess Lucas: You're a true fan.
[00:19:00] George Martin: the
Mason Lauder: common feedback is that I don't actually describe what the show is properly. Like the game we're playing. So the rules. Okay.
Ryan Shelton: Okay.
Mason Lauder: Number two. I just don't trust a man with a mustache.
Grace Peris: Oh
Ryan Shelton: yeah. I mean, this is tricky because George has a mustache somehow. Uh, Oh, just don't trust a man with a mistake. And I did I say it?
George Martin: do you think you would have said
Mason Lauder: what you've said?
Ryan Shelton: Just don't trust a man with a mustache. I have no idea. I can't even remember saying that
Mason Lauder: again. It's a philosophy stationing. What is the meaning of life when you were talking to, I think it was Socrates,
Ryan Shelton: maybe a yes. One of
Mason Lauder: the great philosophers.
[00:20:00] Ryan Shelton: Yes. Yes. You're right. Damn. So, no, one's got a point yet. Or did I get that at?
George Martin: I think it's Neil.
Ryan Shelton: Okay. Neil. Okay.
George Martin: Just quickly. Yeah. Can we cut these in or is that copyright issues?
Ryan Shelton: Just do it. Yeah. I don't think it's problem. I think, yeah. I don't think anyone's going to pull you up on it. Okay.
Mason Lauder: To be honest, I actually was on YouTube and a lot of them have been
Grace Peris: taken down. So
George Martin: yeah,
Ryan Shelton: the roof ones not be mine up there, but the road has got their own channel, I think. Oh yeah.
Mason Lauder: I think rovers. Okay. Um, okay. Number three. They're fake. Just like everything else.
Grace Peris: Oh man. It's a
Ryan Shelton: tough,
George Martin: yeah, I thought it was going to be much better at this.
Grace Peris: So
Mason Lauder: maybe, [00:21:00] maybe I should give you, maybe I should give you some, maybe I'll give you a little bit more context. So this is from,
George Martin: Oh, no, no, no. This one, I do know this one. This is from Graystone 2,800, for sure. When you're showing the
Ryan Shelton: awe, which is on the special feature on the DVD or is that on YouTube? It's probably on YouTube.
Isn't it? It is. Yeah. Okay.
Mason Lauder: Yeah.
George Martin: Nailed it.
Ryan Shelton: Well done.
Grace Peris: Okay.
Ryan Shelton: Alright.
Mason Lauder: Number four,
Ryan Shelton: this
Mason Lauder: was more recent and it is part of a series. Um, there are a few seasons to it and the, the sentence or the phrase is sorry. I was just getting my fabulous.
Ryan Shelton: Oh, is that? Oh,
Grace Peris: is it Trey story? Oh, it's clear. It's clean. It is
Ryan Shelton: season.
[00:22:00] Mason Lauder: Yeah. Instagram posts too.
Grace Peris: Oh shit. Yeah. Fabulous. Of course.
George Martin: I got that bullet.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. We'll Fadl it it's it's like, that was the, um, got it. Really didn't stick around that terminology, but they tried to kind of run with a few tech companies, tried to run with the, the bigger phones that were kind of in between a phone and tablet.
Like I remember there was people who were calling them tablets and I found that right.
Didn't catch on
Mason Lauder: the next one. I don't think one more name would have made a difference whatsoever.
Grace Peris: Uh, and
Mason Lauder: this is, this is from real stories.
Grace Peris: So
Ryan Shelton: I think one, one name would have been a difference whatsoever. Can
George Martin: you give us, how would you have said it? You reckon if you, without knowing the context.
Ryan Shelton: Okay. Um, I don't think one more name would have made a difference whatsoever.
[00:23:00] Mason Lauder: I think you've absolutely nailed it to
Ryan Shelton: be really listened to it. Then I reckon I'm in a, uh, I'm playing a character. That's like an authority figure. Is that right? Mason? Uh,
Mason Lauder: you're being interviewed.
George Martin: Is it?
Ryan Shelton: Oh, the chain email.
Mason Lauder: Yeah. You just got it.
Ryan Shelton: Wow. It's really good to have arrived.
Mason Lauder: This is, this is my favorite one, trying to find a needle in a base stack
Ryan Shelton: in such a discipline.
Grace Peris: That's a great,
Mason Lauder: that's such a funny.
Grace Peris: I am
George Martin: trying to watch that the other day, but I couldn't, I couldn't find,
Ryan Shelton: yeah, they're all in. Do you have the David H. George, you would have the David Day?
George Martin: You know what? I actually don't.
Ryan Shelton: I, I bought it,
George Martin: uh, for, [00:24:00] at my old office. Like last year I bought it for someone for secret Santa in as a Davy day on eBay.
Mason Lauder: Really?
Ryan Shelton: Oh, how much was it on eBay?
George Martin: 20 bucks. But then I was like, it was annoying because I gave it to her because I remember we were talking about it once. And so I was like, Oh, this is great. This is thoughtful. I'm going to get to the DVD of real stories. You'll love that. Yeah. And just kind of, she didn't really give me much
Ryan Shelton: and I was a bit like, well, it's pretty, I mean, it's, it's not like you're getting hurt.
Oh my God, God bullying.
George Martin: I wish I just kept it to be honest.
Mason Lauder: Well, it's all good, George, you can pick one up on ebay.com, Della, you for 40 bucks. Now,
George Martin: now we're just checking that eBay ad.
Grace Peris: She
Ryan Shelton: even
Jess Lucas: has a DVD player these days.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah, I, that's why we have one, you know, I recently, um, I got the data, it's actually a blue Ray player.
I got the blue Ray player [00:25:00] out. Cause I've got so many DVDs and box sets from because, um, because of my age, um, I went through a stage where I pause slots. No, it was definitely early two thousands, uh, pre any streaming or any sort of. Think good. Um, it, I bought so many things on Amazon, like from America. So I've got so many amazing David, a box sets of all of my favorite TV shows and films, and they're just all sitting there and they've got all these great special features.
And I'm going to go back and, and watch them all. Oh, what a great story
Grace Peris: I'm gonna watch DVD.
Mason Lauder: What is it, how does it feel? Sort of like looking, looking back at what you created early days and sort of like the, you know, being that playful sort of kid, like nature to creating them. How, how does that sort of compare when you look at something like true stories or [00:26:00] perfect holiday, is it sort of the same feeling.
Ryan Shelton: Do you mean, do you mean in comparison to like real stories and stuff?
Mason Lauder: Yeah. Yeah. Like looking at, looking back, do you still feel like you had that sort of childish?
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. Uh, well, I mean, something like, like true story was. Just just by its nature was cause it was a biggest show, even though in many ways it was kind of similar to real stories.
Cause it was, you know, different story or real stories had three or four mini stories and episode, whereas, true story. It was just one story per episode, but true. So true story was a bigger production, but also we had a bit more experienced by that stage. So, so I think we kind of just maybe went into it even though it was.
Mayhem a lot of the time we had a little bit more knowledge of what we were doing as opposed to real stories, which was like our first thing we ever really produced a, it was before Rover or anything. So we were really, [00:27:00] it was, we didn't know what we didn't know back then. So we were just sort of like, Oh, let's just, and also because we were younger.
It wasn't a big deal to shoot all day, then go to the edit suite and edit till like 11 or 12, and then come to set at like six. It wasn't. We just used to do all nighters back then all the time. And that was just what you, you know, what you do because fun, you know, no one had kids and it was just, you just did what you got to do.
So definitely back then, it was much more cause we were, we were discovering a lot more, I guess, about what, how to do things and. You know, in those, you know, in those early days, when you see, when you, when you edit something, when you do an assemble of an edit, the first you do the first assemble of something that's like scripted or that you've thought about, you're like, Oh, I want to do it in assemble, have that edit and you watch it.
And you're like, this is it's really shit. And you've had it. I don't know if you've had that experience, but I feel like
George Martin: every week,
Ryan Shelton: every week I get it. Every time I make something, the first [00:28:00] edit, you just think. Well, I've what I've made is absolute garbage. So, um, I'm shit. Uh, I met maybe I used to be okay, but now I'm definitely shit.
Like, I don't know what I'm doing and you have all those thoughts. Um, but back then,
George Martin: anyway, your watches, this it's just going to be wasting their time and they're going to hate me.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah, exactly. And now I can sort of talk myself out of it and realize that that's okay. This is just that first. Assemble, um, jitters.
But back in those days, we would have panics like coming back from the set of real stories and going to see what the editor had caught. We were panicking because, you know, we really believe that if this maybe be true, if we made a really shit show, we would have never worked again, was our belief, which is ridiculous.
But that's what we
George Martin: writing like week to week. Was it like writing a bunch of sketches, shooting them like.
Ryan Shelton: No, I have no, we wrote it off first. Yeah. Yeah. We wrote it all first. And, and we also, and we also just didn't really realize how you give a writing job. It would [00:29:00] be because we made that, that gray stone 2,800, which was that short film that we did, which was originally part of a pilot that we did at channel seven and that pilot didn't get up.
And we then used that, um, That's mockumentary, Greystone 2,800 as sort of the basis of what became true real stories. Um, so we just saw Arctica, we've written one, let's just do three, an episode for eight episodes. And so, so then we sort of found ourselves having to essentially write, like, what was that?
26 or 27 short films, all with different characters and concepts. And it was just such a mammoth writing job. But at the same time, we didn't really know any different. So we just sort of did it, but like so many of the characters, if you, if you look back on it, if you're one of those lucky people who have a David [00:30:00] for people who have one, um, if you, a lot of the wigs are just.
Backwards wigs from stories because we didn't have, we ran out of wigs. And so cause like me Hamish and Andy are playing characters in every single thing. So it's like, whatever that is like 24 by three. So it's like, you know, close to like 75 or whatever CA characters and. When not, it's not like where, where these amazing character actors, you can do this huge range of CA.
So instead of coming up with a new character, we would just turn a wig around and go, Nope, that's now a new character.
Grace Peris: And so
George Martin: what was the crew like? How many crew did you have
Ryan Shelton: roughly? It was, it was kind of like a medium sized crew. It was really low budget. Um, and so we had,
George Martin: cause you had a few like sets and stuff, like there was.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. Heaps of locations. Um, was it the school? Like the quiet one? Yeah. [00:31:00] I mean so many, like it was, yeah, it was, it was kind of like sketches, but at least sketches, like on sketch shows. And I guess we would have done this a little bit, but with sketch shows, what usually happens to set, to be efficient with your locations, someone will write like a sketch, which has set in a school.
And so then the writers are told, okay, now go write 10. School sketches so we can make the most of this location. Cause otherwise it's just too expensive to go to a location, just for a sketch. We're just going to be one minute of air time. So they'll go, okay, well we know we're going to this location anyway.
So let's come up with some ideas that can happen in a school, right. Or whatever. And they make the most of the location. Yeah. I
Jess Lucas: mean, that's great because I feel like we three in place Sunday, we've kind of kept the same location at the shopping center.
Ryan Shelton: How did episode two go?
George Martin: We'll get, we'll get to that in a sec.
Jess Lucas: thinking about my, um, my script writing there.
Ryan Shelton: Well, you [00:32:00] wrote it, right.
Jess Lucas: It was great, Jess. It was such a script.
George Martin: Thank you guys.
Ryan Shelton: Any new characters? I will get to it. We'll get to it and get to it. We get to it buddies, me and structure.
Jess Lucas: That was my fault.
George Martin: We'll do it now. We'll do it now
Jess Lucas: with the punches JV.
Ryan Shelton: 2020s really taught you how to pivot George. Amazing to say real. Yeah.
George Martin: As the highest you've got to be keeping this train on the track, but that's really
Ryan Shelton: what switching.
George Martin: Yeah. So we did do a screenplay Sunday this week. So you were on the first
Ryan Shelton: episode, which is great.
George Martin: Thank you for doing that. That was, that was fun.
It was great. And
Ryan Shelton: we did, who was the guests episode? Two. Well, it's just,
George Martin: it was grace.
Ryan Shelton: You guys. Yeah.
George Martin: So was me mace grace, Jess, Tommy, and Josh. And [00:33:00] it was a
Ryan Shelton: pretty Mason. Grace sounds pretty good. Doesn't it? Yeah,
Jess Lucas: until that was just said
Ryan Shelton: it's better than Mason and Grayson. Like it's nice of Mason, Mason to change to it.
So you don't have to become a crisis.
Grace Peris: Yeah. A couple of name, maybe. I dunno.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. Oh yeah, that would be it. Sorry, George. Sorry.
George Martin: So, so Jess was in charge of writing the script. It was really good. Um, we were still trying to figure out how to actually like what the show is, and who's in charge of like putting in the calendar invites.
And so me and Josh were pretty Slack throughout
Ryan Shelton: the week. All on there.
George Martin: Uh, I mean a
Ryan Shelton: no, but I mean like on the screenplay Sunday where you're talking, I love it. How you talk about how to make the show within the show. So
George Martin: it's kind of, we mentioned it a little bit, but the debrief was actually on the daily talk show.
Ryan Shelton: So
George Martin: this is [00:34:00] hump day. Re-play talking about, uh, the daily talk show talking about screenplay Sunday.
Ryan Shelton: It's a bit of a so good. There's
George Martin: lots going on. So we recorded the episode. That was, that was all good. And then we recorded. We can banter straight after the daily talk show. And, uh, Josh had some thoughts, which he wanted to bring up.
Ryan Shelton: Okay.
Grace Peris: We had screenplay Sunday that we recorded and I'm in a conundrum because I don't think it was a very good episode.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah, well, hang on.
Grace Peris: So he says, it's good. It's fun for you because you're like, you've got a character and you're having fun with it before wanting to create something where it's like, you learn something about script writing or you like to feel like, I don't know if it just had that extra thing that we had with episode one where you've got Ryan there from an industry perspective saying, Oh, giving it some level of authority or perspective I've been kicked off the show.
That's what's happened to you guys. Yeah. I'm the type of guy to host a party [00:35:00] and blow up at a guest and say, fuck off. That's what I'm doing happening right now. That's what I'm doing. I want to get it off. Cause I don't want that to be the standard. I don't want this to be the standard. I
Ryan Shelton: don't think it was bad at all.
No, Jess did a great job.
Grace Peris: Just you, you ruin it for the whole thing. It was great. It was fucking great. So
Ryan Shelton: there you guys, so is Tommy off the show?
Grace Peris: The show
Ryan Shelton: development. Okay. So it's going to work
George Martin: now
Ryan Shelton: is,
George Martin: uh, Josh and I, again, to be like the host,
Ryan Shelton: I guess.
George Martin: Yup. And it'd be good to get your feedback on these actually, cause we're trying to work out how to write the script and what to, you know, how are we going to make the descript develop each week? So we're thinking like maybe me and him could just go week to week or something like that.
Jess Lucas: To make it about me, but I'm sorry, but I know they said that my skirt is good, [00:36:00] but I, I felt a little bit of push back on it. I'm not going to lie. I didn't feel that they were that impressed with it.
Mason Lauder: Um, I thought it was great.
Ryan Shelton: I liked
Jess Lucas: how there was lots of dialogue, so you'd get to. You got to invest more in the characters.
We to see more of, of who they are. I really enjoyed that. I mean, yeah, I just can't help, but think that, because it was just such a negative experience after all that,
Ryan Shelton: don't let it get to you. This is going to happen. This shit, you know, sometimes people don't get into what you do, you can't please, everyone
Mason Lauder: also, how, how do you win when something's not perfect or you get that sort of feedback?
Like what, what is the sort of process that you go through in terms of like, Needing like forcing yourself to ship it or to, you know, go
Ryan Shelton: along with it. I wouldn't, I wouldn't really know. I can't really relate to that. Um, no, uh, well the thing I always kind of think of, because I was, so yes, I get that all the time.
Like so much of the stuff that. I do [00:37:00] is not broad. It's not for a broad audience. And that's a good thing because the things that I like and not for a broad audience. So if I was only make things that everyone likes and I would essentially be making stuff that, um, I mean, there is nothing, actually, nothing exists that everyone likes it's actually impossible.
It's like even the greatest things that are the most, like, even like the office, I still meet people who don't like Seinfeld. And it's just like, what? Why any of you can't understand it? This is great. Um, review, I can't remember. I spoke about this on the door. Talk daily talk show on that, but, um, it's great review.
That was written a review on the UK office with Ricky device, uh, when it was first released on BBC in like the year 2001. And, and it was, it was on like the daily mail. And it was because of when the office first came out, it was released over the [00:38:00] summer and it was pretty, it wasn't like a big show was like, there's no famous people in it.
It was just this sort of like off-Broadway show and they play and BBC played it in summer because it was this low budget, you know, just wanted to see what would happen. And this TV review at the daily mail. Obviously, I've got a tape of it and decided for whatever reason to just write a takedown review on this new little show on the BBC.
And so the headline for the very first review of the office is a summer stinker and it absolutely blasts the office. And this, this guy who just thinks he's so clever and he's so smugly written about how bad the delayed character is, how annoying the bosses, all this stuff. And, and that's for the office, which is arguably one of the most popular, successful comedies of all time.
And so then what happened was. The reason I bring [00:39:00] it up is because you can imagine like Ricky devise and Stephen merchant before they were who they are. They're just these two guys who have like, somehow gotten the show on the BBC and it's out. And the first review comes in. Imagine like how devastated they'd be.
They would have been thinking, well, we're done we're shit. We don't know what we're doing. And then show no one watched the show over summer. And then the BBC gave it another shot months later on. On like a different BBC channel. And, and then at somehow caught on and people started watching it, it became this huge thing.
And then that review, uh, wrote a retraction. Article in response to the popularity and sort of setup and writer article saying, Oh, actually, it's good. I was wrong. Wow.
Jess Lucas: Yeah. At least he admitted his mistake.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. Well, that's true. Yeah. So Jess, don't worry. There's
Grace Peris: still hope
Jess Lucas: maybe we can redo it down the track and make [00:40:00] it what it was meant to be.
Did you get rod as block Jess?
Ryan Shelton: Um, Well, that's a loaded question,
Grace Peris: grace. I was thinking back to how you, Ryan, you were saying it to write
Jess Lucas: all those
Grace Peris: little
Jess Lucas: short stories or short movies for real stories. I was like, how did you get writer's book there? And if like, how did you overcome that? Like what was the process for that?
Ryan Shelton: Yeah, right. Yeah. I
Grace Peris: mean, writer's block is.
Ryan Shelton: It's just I've I've watched, I get obsessed about watching like videos and reading things about artists talking about writer's block or, you know, they can't think of anything. And usually. And some people will argue that doesn't exist. Like David Lynch will say it doesn't, there's no such thing.
It doesn't exist. And, but I think people like to use it as a label when they just can't think of something. Cause it's okay to not be able to think of something. But I think people kind of use the term writer's block as a comfort to go like, Oh, it's okay. I've just got writer's block as opposed to getting [00:41:00] upset with themselves that I just can't have that.
I just can't think of anything in that moment, which is totally fine. Um, but in, in. My experience now, when I can't think of anything, uh, I do what I've read is a, is a good thing to do is to just sort of change your environment. So go for a walk or do something, you know, have a cold shower or just do something like dramatic, fully, fully, or meditate.
Yeah. Just fully change your, your, your input, I guess.
George Martin: Do you have like set times when you're going to write, do you give yourself blocks of time or?
Ryan Shelton: No, not really. No, it's just. No, it's just sort of whenever I have time to do it. Um, but more often than not, I'll leave it to the last minute. And then just panic.
Definitely, you know, in 12 days, which is, I've got another thing because this website I do, and I still haven't got an idea for it and right. And some part of me is kind of worried, but then I'm getting less and less panicked about it [00:42:00] because. It's happened a few times now where I've, there's been five days left.
I don't know what I'm going to do. So I just feel like something will come up with something, but I'm now less. I get less worried and less panic. Cause it's sort of, well, if it's shit, then it's,
George Martin: it's an annoying feeling though. Isn't it? When you're like. I reckon I'll come up with something and then nothing happens.
And then it does happen just before it's a Jew. You're like, why didn't I think of you say
Ryan Shelton: yeah, that's part of it. I think that's, I think that's part, I think you need to go through that, right? Yeah.
Jess Lucas: I can help you with any ideas.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. I'm in anything. Yeah. I'm pretty open.
Grace Peris: What do you mean?
Ryan Shelton: Well, it could be anything.
I mean, the, the, my parameters really are. I only have one camera. I have one, I just got a lapel, a lapel mic. So I've got a lapel that plugs into my phone, which is really good. Um, um, I mean, I've got a Mike, so why not one idea I had, I dunno if I'll do it. If I do end up doing this, this would be interesting to talk about [00:43:00] now, but one idea, cause there's a lot of cows around where I live.
And so I was thinking of just filming some cows and like voicing what they do. Yes. Yeah. So that could be quite good. Um, and I, and I like that from the point of view that that'll be kind of easy, easy to make. Yeah. Sorry. No, no. And my other parameter is that I'm, I'm only like a very, very base level base skill level editor.
So I can't really rely on. Too much fancy editing. Cause I can't, I'm just doing it all. So yeah. That's the other
George Martin: thing. Are you filming and editing all of them? Like even the first, the first couple,
Ryan Shelton: did you film in edit? No, no, no. The first couple was shot by Tim Bartley, who I work with at Reddit karate, one of my friends.
Um, but I edited them. So that was at the start of the year. Well, actually back when I did cliff is when I kind of. Just edited myself. Cause for [00:44:00] years editing with Tim or whoever sitting next to someone editing, you just sort of figure it out. But that was all on final cut seven. And that's, I sort of learned how to edit on final cut seven and could do basic editing on final cut seven.
And then obviously that stopped and at work we for true story, we changed too. We did true story on avid and avid. Just same really. Scary to me,
George Martin: it's like the big industry level one, but it's so big and clunky and
Ryan Shelton: it's, it's, it's like apparently like a, it's just a very different approach. So if you, if your brain, if your editing brain thinks like final cut seven or premiere avid, it's like a completely new thing.
So I eventually then decided, well, I'll just do it on I'll try premiere. And I could, it was actually much easier than I thought it would be because I knew final cut seven. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was talking about. I'm excited to say,
George Martin: well, yeah.
Ryan Shelton: Oh yeah. I love the voiceover idea.
[00:45:00] Jess Lucas: I do treat, and I wonder if he could like strap a GoPro or something to one of their horns documentary style, like day in the life.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. Well, that's true. That's true. That's that's I like that. Yes. So that could be, cause I was actually just thinking, well, it could be, um, It could just be general. Cause it's kind of like, like, you know, long lens, you know, um, kind of voyeuristic.
Jess Lucas: like, you'll get real good close outs with the GoPro up here.
Ryan Shelton: Well, I I'm going to, I love the GoPro idea, but it's just, I'm not going to be able to do it. I just want it, and I don't want to be a defeatist, but it's just not gonna happen. So, but what I do think is interesting and what I reckon would be cool is it is choosing one of the cows.
And following that cow, like you said, like a day in the life, like that would be quite cool. And then [00:46:00] teacher. Yeah. I fell asleep during that. She really, yeah, it was quite light. My girlfriend watched shouldn't liked it, but I don't know. Yeah. I was very tired. I gotta give it another go put it down to that.
What's what's so good about it. Like why is it just a sweet story? It's amazing. I mean, I remember watching him like going through those waves, like it seems like
George Martin: two minutes in.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah.
Grace Peris: Yeah.
Mason Lauder: I think credits.
Ryan Shelton: That was great. Um, so, so does he develop a relationship with the octopus and he goes every day, doesn't he and sees the octopus.
Mason Lauder: 350 days, I think day in, day out. Sometimes at night he goes in.
Jess Lucas: It's so fascinating. You
George Martin: just learn so much from it. Like, you know how it's evolved, how it's, how it's lived through these millions and millions of years as some vulnerable creature. Hide away from sharks and that sort of thing. It's pretty
Ryan Shelton: good.
Cause it was [00:47:00] living right near sharks. Wasn't it? Isn't that the weird thing that's yeah.
Jess Lucas: Yeah. It wasn't like he, he doesn't just learn about the octopus, but about, you know, the whole ecosystem and the food chain and everything like that, you know,
George Martin: it's just it's so
Jess Lucas: it's so incredible.
Grace Peris: Hmm.
Ryan Shelton: Okay. I'll give another guy.
Wait for the book. So
George Martin: also in the council chair this week, Uh, Ryan, unless we're still brainstorming.
Ryan Shelton: I just, I just wanted to say thank you to Jess for that idea. Cause I'm
Grace Peris: on it.
Jess Lucas: I can't wait to see it come to fruition
Ryan Shelton: if I do it,
Jess Lucas: Jess,
George Martin: if it's not that, can there be some sort of like hidden message in there for hump replay.
So we know that. You okay. What about it? And then decided not to do it.
Ryan Shelton: Okay. Well, okay. I can't call it Jess, because my ex girlfriend's name is Jess.
Jess Lucas: What about Lucas? That's cute. Like a
Ryan Shelton: boy scout. Okay. Well, okay. If I, if I do it, it'll be the Calvary called Lucas. Um, and then give me one other [00:48:00] word that I'll have to put in there somewhere as sort of like a tip of the hat to the hump day.
Jess Lucas: Wasn't your tool from our screenplay, a hammer.
Ryan Shelton: Ah, I did. I suggested for, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I can do walked also hammer, which one?
Mason Lauder: Challenge
Grace Peris: yourself.
Jess Lucas: Okay.
Ryan Shelton: Okay. Octopus and hammer and Lucas,
Mason Lauder: Let's just write it down.
Ryan Shelton: This is a nerdy question. What do you guys use as notes?
George Martin: Oh,
Mason Lauder: okay. Just there's there's a couple. So there's real good. For quick note, taking is an app called bear.
Ryan Shelton: Oh, yeah. Bear. I know of. Yeah, that's great. Um, why is that good?
Mason Lauder: Uh, it's just really like real quick notes and you can quickly like assign them into like groups and stuff, using hashtags and tags [00:49:00] and stuff.
Josh uses one called drafts.
Ryan Shelton: I use drafts,
Mason Lauder: which he loves
George Martin: and he recommended to.
Ryan Shelton: No, I think I have a feeling. I recommended it to him
George Martin: really, really?
Ryan Shelton: I can't remember. No, I think, yeah. Cause I found out about it. Cause when I find out about that stuff, he's one of my ports of call, but I'll tell him because I know he'll appreciate it.
George Martin: Well, he's not mentioned that once. He just thinks that he's discovered he
Mason Lauder: doesn't, he's just adopted it. Yeah.
Ryan Shelton: I don't know
Jess Lucas: the keyboard sounds great.
Ryan Shelton: That sounds good. It's exactly the same cable and it
Grace Peris: sounds fantastic.
Ryan Shelton: I still need
George Martin: to open my index cards that Josh gave me.
Ryan Shelton: Oh yeah. I think he use,
George Martin: uh, I think he gave me white ones.
Ryan Shelton: I'll start off
George Martin: his birthday. I dropped over a few things and he panicked and gave me a next of present.
Grace Peris: You do that? It could
Ryan Shelton: be one of those presidents though. I mean, I can say [00:50:00] it on one hand, you could go boring, but on the other hand, you could then use them to like, write this screenplay. On the wall and then he'll, you'll go and thanks so much, Josh, you inspired me.
I see ideas and sound like you guys.
George Martin: Mmm. So yeah, so this week the boys were talking about algorithms in podcast platforms and the dangers of that basically. Um, so this is a little snippet from that.
Ryan Shelton: Okay.
Grace Peris: Facebook, Instagram, all these different social networks have algorithms and it's changing the way that we are consuming content. We get told, focus on the content, do good content, but then all of a sudden we're like, hang on, I'm putting out all of this good content.
I think that this is what people want, but it's not reaching people. What do we do? Okay. I'll put out a meme. And you put that out there and that's like, ah, it got like, we're getting a response. Now we're getting all this reaction. We're getting [00:51:00] feedback. We're getting comments. We're getting likes. Fuck. Do you know what, like fuck doing the, the piece that took you two hours.
Why spend two hours doing a piece of content when we can just spend two minutes, Photoshopping up some photos, someone else talk. And that's why like having a brand, having something that's connecting with audiences. So something that's actually. That w if you, if we were to go would be missed, that's what you need to do.
Right. You need brand equity. And so anyway, I've had a coffee. Can you tell
Ryan Shelton: good. I love it. Whenever I speak to Josh, I feel like I talked to him for maybe an hour and a half, two hours because we have those conversations and it's like, we both were. Yeah. I love that stuff, but I mean, that that's, that just makes me think constantly. And maybe this is what Josh meant, but that just makes me think of like, having like that, having your purpose or your intention that you're like, whatever you wanna call it, like a mission statement, because otherwise you're just sort of like flailing in the wind and trying to react to what audiences are liking.
And you sort of like, don't really know what you stand [00:52:00] for. I think that's what Josh is talking about. Yeah, right.
Mason Lauder: It's almost just like, what, what you've sort of done with, you know, rye in videos, like
Ryan Shelton: pronunciation was a bit short, but
Mason Lauder: then I got videos.
Ryan Shelton: That's it? That's it? Yeah.
Mason Lauder: You've sort of like, not, you haven't seek that permission from anyone to go create something. Can you, you haven't gone through. Those sorts of traditional things, uh, ways of distribution, you know, like networks and what some of the bigger productions go through.
H how, how, how did you sort of come to that decision to just release them when you want sort
Ryan Shelton: of
Mason Lauder: almost on a whim. You know, like there's not heaps of stuff going into, like, you know, you've got this big launch date and all that sort of stuff.
Grace Peris: Uh, yeah,
Ryan Shelton: it was really well.
Grace Peris: There's a
Ryan Shelton: few of those. Yeah. The few reasons actually one of them was I didn't one of the things I knew I didn't want to do was, um, Like do it from the point of view of wanting to build [00:53:00] followers or like build like a subscription thing.
Like that's a big, and which is a absolutely worthy thing to do, but I just knew I didn't want this particular thing to be about that I didn't want to be, I didn't want to feel like I was constantly encouraging people to subscribe. I didn't, I didn't, I wasn't intending to build a brand or anything. It was.
Purely from a point of view of, uh, giving myself a discipline, uh, to be making things constantly because I, at that point discovered that when the making of things was whenever I would actually physically make something that's funny, I would be happy and present and find Mark I kind of flow state. Um, but the thing I struggled with was, uh, Self motivation.
And the only time I really do have that motivation is when someone else is expecting it. So if I have, like, if I'm writing a script and there's like a producer or someone, and they've set a date for a raid through, [00:54:00] then I may not do anything for four weeks, but the night before we're doing the rates for I'll do it, like, I'll get it done.
Um, so having those deadlines. And, and some sort of expectation from them, someone, um, who I, who I feel might. Okay, enjoy it or be excited about it. That that was the, the real motivation for setting the website up like that and doing it on Vimeo. Uh, well, putting the videos on Vimeo and then having it on a website, like most like any I'm sure.
Any, um, marketing or social media or brand person would say the way I'm doing it is, is stupid because there's no. You've got to go to a website to watch videos, which is so backwards in today's world.
George Martin: Yeah. And unlimited wise. Isn't great for SEO.
Grace Peris: What's SEO.
George Martin: I don't know anything about it. Joshua say that
Ryan Shelton: search optimism.
Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. Right. So now I knew that the only people who would [00:55:00] probably watch it, um, would be the people who follow me on Instagram or my friends, or, you know, anyone, I didn't really know where it was going to go. And I. And I kind of tried not to focus on that part of it. Not because I'm like immune to wanting people to like what I do.
Like I do, you know, I do have that. Um, but I didn't want that to be a part of the experience. I didn't want the, I didn't want to be checking the downloads. I didn't want to be checking, you know, subscriptions and, uh, no that one's not going as well or people aren't subscribing, or I didn't want to fall into that.
Trapped because that's actually not what I wanted. And I find that it's easy to just fall into that trap by default, unless you consciously decide not to do it. If you know what I mean. Cause we're, so now, um, conditioned to you want followers and one lot the more views, the better the performance of the [00:56:00] content and.
And that's the way, you know, that's the way it kind of works in commercial TV. And, but it works like that because in commercial TV, the higher the ratings, the more chance you are of having a second season, because the TV network can actually sell ads in your show. Cause lots of people are watching it, but in a situation where you're just making stuff that you think you just want to make, there's actually no need for you to have lots of viewers.
Like there's actually no real, unless you're trying to monetize it in some way, then that's a different story. But if you're doing it purely from like an as an artistic practice, then the amount of viewers, um, it, it, in my opinion, it doesn't really even matter because you're still, as long as you're, you're expressing yourself in a way that is true to you and something that you're proud of, then whether five people say it or 5 million.
It shouldn't, it shouldn't affect the experience of the making of that thing and the [00:57:00] releasing of that thing.
George Martin: Yeah. I love
Ryan Shelton: that because ideally, I mean, not, and I'm not saying that I don't, I don't fall into the trap of like wishing more people saw it. Like I definitely get that. Um, but that, but my intention is, is what I just said is to just like, reach someone, make it, be happy with it and then move on to something else.
George Martin: Yeah. Like doing this podcast for me, like I've identified that. It's making me grow creatively way more than, than the videos were, but you're not getting that instant feedback and like recognition sharing it around. This is great. I love this. It's you got to kind of suck it up. Yeah. Get through, get through this bit and just do the process.
And that was another, you mentioned on one of the shows it's like I'm enjoying the process each time, rather than worrying about the outcome being. Better and better, or?
Ryan Shelton: Yeah, it's like process, process over product is like the, is what I try and do whenever possible. Cause it [00:58:00] is if you're working with, I mean, you guys have this great.
It's so cool. What you got? I just love what you guys are doing because you're building this great little community of people who are likeminded and are on the same page. Um, You're not worried that like one person you're not worried it, no one's going to get fired. No, one's going to, you know what I mean?
Like it's just this sort of pure
George Martin: maybe gesture. Hey, writing, but
Ryan Shelton: don't take it on. Yeah.
Jess Lucas: Maybe into the next few episodes so that I can better myself.
Ryan Shelton: You don't have to prove anything to anyone. You can just write what you want. Tommy's George doesn't know. Mmm. Yeah, let's try and throw it, wasn't it?
Yeah, yeah, no. Yeah, exactly. So it's like doing something for the foot, for the pure love of it is such a, it's such a great thing. And I, and, and it's, it's exciting. I get excited for people when they stumble [00:59:00] across that. And then the kind of tricky is, is finding a way to grow it without falling into that without you're falling into that need to want to.
Be accepted or be compared to other shows in a positive way, you know, it's resisting that need to go like, Oh, you know, I wonder, I wonder how far we are away from being the Joe Rogan show or whatever. Yeah. That's like, who cares about that? It's like, I spoke to these, I spoke to this guy the other week and they're doing this tiny little.
Um, I don't say tiny in a derogatory way, but it's like this Instagram show essentially. And it's, it's just two of them and they just do it for fun. And I started doing it at the start of a lockdown and, and he was talking to me and asking me about how they can grow it and like what, for ideas of how they can make it bigger and all that sort of stuff.
And the thing that I said to him, and the thing that I say to most people is to just make the [01:00:00] experience of doing it the best, like P like, All the best shows you that you watch, whether it be TV shows or, or listening to radio shows or podcasts or whatever it is usually the best ones. You can tell that the people presenting it are having the best fun you just know they are.
And so it's like, they're the ones that even if they don't become huge by normal standards and don't make lots of money. At least, if you, if your priority is the process of making it, then you can't lose. Right? Yeah. Whereas if you're, if your priority is on the product, then you can lose. So if you're like, ah, you know, my measure of success is reaching a million followers, then there's a very good chance you won't succeed, even though you're doing something that is so good that you're proud of.
You'll still always tell yourself. Yeah. But I didn't. It was good. That was good. It was good. I just didn't quite get to [01:01:00] that million, which would have been nice, but it's like, who fucking cares. So that's why it's like, that's why that when I read first process of a product, that's how, that's where it like hit me.
I was like, Oh, I don't, I don't need to reach this. Level of this, for me, it was like getting my own TV show on, on television that I've written and started. Like, that was my thing. That was my million followers and I had help. And that was my measure. And if, and that was what I always sort of unconsciously thought, like, I want that.
And when I wasn't getting that for years, I felt like I was failing. And so I couldn't enjoy the things that I was doing.
George Martin: Right. Yeah. I mean, it's so clear that you're enjoying the stuff that you're doing now that loophole. The first thing that I noticed was just how much fun you three were having or the fun you were having.
Like, it just looks
Ryan Shelton: like it was the best way it was on believable. It was. And I, and I, and the cool thing about that was everyone signed on without really knowing where it was going to go. Like there was no promise of being [01:02:00] anywhere. Like we were literally all just there because it would be a fun thing to do.
Yeah, there was actually, there was a time where I was, I was thinking maybe I won't release it at all. Cause I was like, so I was so like obsessed with protecting the process. I didn't want the product to ruin the experience. I didn't want the releasing of the product to ruin. What was this amazing experience of making it?
Hmm. Yeah, that's amazing. I got in the way and I was like,
Mason Lauder: did you get from it?
Ryan Shelton: Not enough, not a million.
George Martin: So bring it back to being a kid and being childlike, which I guess is the theme of this episode in a way Jess and Josh were chatting the other day about the idea of when you're a kid. And you put your parents on the spot. And so I was like, Oh, I can, can I go to Benny's house or whatever? And that [01:03:00] I don't
Grace Peris: put me on the spot.
Ryan Shelton: Oh yeah. Yeah.
Mason Lauder: Asking, asking for sleep over with, you know, asking your mum if they can stay for a sleep over whilst the person is standing. Uh, yeah.
Ryan Shelton: Like you put them in an awkward position.
Mason Lauder: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
George Martin: Do that as a kid. I mean, everyone probably did.
Grace Peris: Uh,
Ryan Shelton: I probably did. I can't remember any examples, but I feel like, yeah, yeah, I probably did, but I was a pretty great kid.
Grace Peris: Well, I mean, we, we,
Mason Lauder: we thought we'd do a little bit of improv. Um, and
Grace Peris: so,
Mason Lauder: um, As you might've guessed, you are going to be the one trying to get out of, um, a bit of a hole.
Ryan Shelton: Okay. Yup.
Mason Lauder: Um, so the same, um, it's date night, your partner, grace is waiting at home with drinks, a candle at table and a menu to order takeaway dinner.
You Ryan have finished late at the office and you've forgotten that it's date night and decided to [01:04:00] bring the boys. J B Jess and I back for drinks. Do you know? And to play video games.
Ryan Shelton: Okay. Yeah. Okay.
Mason Lauder: And when you walk in the room with the boys, you're greeted with a confused look
Ryan Shelton: from grace, grace
Mason Lauder: from grace.
Ryan Shelton: Wow.
George Martin: Can I play the opener and then we'll get into it?
Mason Lauder: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
George Martin: Dad, could Jimmy say
Grace Peris: bone on the side?
George Martin: Probably the worst opener I've ever done.
Ryan Shelton: I liked the raver at the end though.
It's sort of nice. It feels great.
Mason Lauder: It's free. It does save a lot. It George
George Martin: or me and audition is like you in premiere. Just, you know, you don't know what you're doing. Just
Ryan Shelton: any effect. Yeah. Or addition is that that's a diabetes patient. Okay. Okay. Something else like that. All right. Well, I
Mason Lauder: mean, I guess, I guess we'll start with, um, the knock on the door and then we can walk in.
Ryan Shelton: Well, I wouldn't knock on the [01:05:00] door. That's my house or,
George Martin: well, no,
Grace Peris: that's the case.
Mason Lauder: Okay. Yeah, the occasion in the door.
Ryan Shelton: And where have we been
Mason Lauder: while you've been a late night working and you've brought the boys
Ryan Shelton: games. Okay, great. Oh God, come on in boys. Just light up that video game.
Jess Lucas: Right? What are we playing?
We've got Minecraft. Fortnite.
Grace Peris: Well,
Ryan Shelton: nah, it's gotta be daytime.
Grace Peris: Hang on. Oh shit.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah.
Grace Peris: What's going on? Yeah. Oh, fuck. No fuck.
Ryan Shelton: Okay. Okay. Nah, sorry boys though.
Grace Peris: Hang on. What did you say to me last night?
Ryan Shelton: Yeah, no. I said, Jeremy yeah. Said, Hey tomorrow, night's fucking shut up Georgie. I said, nah, tomorrow night, you'll be fine.
We're going to have date night. Just you, me and the boys. I thought that was very clear. Date night, date night, [01:06:00] we talked to you that crazy.
Grace Peris: I think so. What did we, what have we talked about for the past, like three weeks as well? Ryan,
Ryan Shelton: you wanted to get to know the mix more? Yeah,
Grace Peris: I don't think that was it.
George Martin: So I'm on your side. To be honest,
Jess Lucas: they said, they've said we need
Grace Peris: to work on our communication and I don't think you're communicating with me.
Ryan Shelton: I don't think you're communicating.
Jess Lucas: I've got a solution for a soul.
Ryan Shelton: I'm going to
Jess Lucas: invite my mess over. And JVs didn't invite his miso over. Okay.
Mason Lauder: Isn't this miss your day.
Grace Peris: Like you've got the good. This is great handles. Yeah. Great. Get some more candles.
Ryan Shelton: We've got some more kales. That'd be great. Is this good? She fucked over look at me like that, babe. Come on. This is going to be
Grace Peris: good. We find, we get to know boys and their ms.
Yeah, no, we haven't had a date night in like three
Jess Lucas: weeks.
[01:07:00] Ryan Shelton: You always
Grace Peris: at the office. I just
Ryan Shelton: know
Jess Lucas: you're not taking this seriously.
Grace Peris: I'm taking it so seriously. Seriously,
Ryan Shelton: seriously. Oh, I am. I'm taking it so seriously. Okay. Okay. How about this? Right. Hang on. Alright. Yeah, if you say, go on. Here we go. This'll be good.
Grace Peris: Look, I love the
Ryan Shelton: boys. Thank you. Great.
Grace Peris: Have I finished?
Ryan Shelton: I dunno.
Jess Lucas: Well, let me finish please.
Ryan Shelton: Alright. And how about when you finished say
Grace Peris: finished?
Ryan Shelton: I think that's a deal.
George Martin: Great.
Ryan Shelton: Do you want me to shut up patient? I like it. Yeah.
Grace Peris: I love the boys,
Jess Lucas: you know, come play video games, favor, whatever
Ryan Shelton: they want. That's great.
Oh yeah. Sorry. You remember this? I finished when you can.
Grace Peris: Yeah, just let me finish first
Ryan Shelton: and then I'll say you said finish or you're finished. Okay. Well just so you know, when you say finished, [01:08:00] I'm going to jump on that. So just be careful
Grace Peris: how you use your words here.
Ryan Shelton: Grace.
haven't ended the conversation yet.
As soon as that better.
Yup. Yup. Yup, yup. Yup. Alright, go
Grace Peris: on. I love the boys.
Jess Lucas: I think they're great.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. Just so you know, I can't wait until you say finished
Grace Peris: and say, Oh,
George Martin: he's got it.
Grace Peris: I was really in that you saw the true side of me. Yeah.
Grace Peris: Stanislavski are acting they're pulling past with Mason. Did you,
Ryan Shelton: did you do Stanislavski training?
Jess Lucas: No just for, I just remember in drama, back in
Grace Peris: school, they
Jess Lucas: used to look. We used to, our teacher used to always tell us about, got it.
Grace Peris: It's kind of like
Jess Lucas: method acting like you bring on you on draw on past experiences to kind of tell the truth when you're acting.
So. [01:09:00] I was just going back to it
Grace Peris: past where
George Martin: similar thing happened.
Ryan Shelton: I was trembling.
Grace Peris: I got that. It was very similar to what I said.
George Martin: So let's say if you were Mason, you're bringing the boys back. So that was nice. And bringing Josh
Grace Peris: after party.
how'd the downloads going guys.
Ryan Shelton: When's the last time you guys all saw each other in real life?
George Martin: July.
Jess Lucas: July.
Ryan Shelton: Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
George Martin: Yeah. A while ago, probably being out there. What do you reckon we'll be in lockdown for the next month? At least.
Jess Lucas: Hmm, a bull until the 19th of October and then were unrestricted. So we technically could go back to the
Ryan Shelton: office the same.
Jess Lucas: I don't think so. I don't think it's worth until lack. It's like.
Mason Lauder: I think some, some of us will and some of us won't like, it [01:10:00] just be a mix of both, like some recordings will be done in the office and then, you know, sometimes it'll be at home, but
Ryan Shelton: yeah,
Mason Lauder: it just be, it just be a mix depending on, you know, internet connections and
George Martin: all that sort of stuff.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. Sounds fun. And just suggest you produce too much Tali. D do you produce that? How's that go?
Jess Lucas: It's going really well. Thank you. I, um, She's just sent me a text message for the daily mail article that they've, um, written about the latest episode that dropped today. Right.
Ryan Shelton: Well, what did I say? What did she say?
Jess Lucas: tele Smyth reveals the sponsor ship deal that made her cry. And so we spoke about fertility.
Ryan Shelton: Oh, okay.
Jess Lucas: Raising eggs and that kind of thing. And, um, She as an influencer, she was pegged as a potential to have eggs frozen for a sponsorship deal. And yeah, we kind of spoke about that and then also had an expert on.
Ryan Shelton: Oh, did she do that? Did she praise him?
Jess Lucas: No, she didn't. [01:11:00] But, um, I mean, with, she's thinking about it now because, um, we had the expert on and, um, we spoke about, uh, the benefits of doing it and what it means for females at a single, at, um, kind of like our age around your thirties and that kind of thing.
You feel you have a partner that you might, you know, down the track, you might want to go solo or you might need it. Um, yeah, it was really
Ryan Shelton: how much, how much does it cost to do.
Jess Lucas: Uh, depends on where you are, but up to 10 grand and it could take, um, when they actually take the eggs out of you, you might not even get enough, so you might need to do
Ryan Shelton: it again.
It's not a guarantee.
Jess Lucas: Not necessarily, no.
Ryan Shelton: Oh, so you could pay the 10 grand then have to do it again.
Jess Lucas: Yeah. And Mars and depending on how many that actually suck out at that time, um, cause it's all about, so you inject yourself, um, and it, uh, produces the eggs and then the eggs, they go into like little Hef, like follicles, uh, in your womb or nib.
Uh, do I think it's, you're wearing, I can't remember where they go, but yeah. Oh boy.
[01:12:00] Out of that, they kind of like scrape it and they pull them out and they harvest the eggs or whatever. And then, um, yeah, they freeze them, but yeah, so you could get. However many, but you could also just get to kind of thing.
Ryan Shelton: Wow. Okay. It's
Jess Lucas: very, and then you have to pay like $500 a year to like, keep them on ice and keep making sure that they're maintaining and safe.
Ryan Shelton: Oh shit. It's on like a farm or something. Like where are they all?
Jess Lucas: So it's like, what do they just cry phrase or something? Like my fear of doing that is that I don't know, like there's a blackout or something. And then the fridges are. You know, fuck or whatever.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah. But surely about thought of that.
It's got to be generator.
Jess Lucas: Yeah.
George Martin: Is it in the lab though? Like, do they just have heaps of drawers of different peoples
Ryan Shelton: you're thinking of a movie, Josh? Yeah.
Mason Lauder: It's definitely just in a big sort of freezer thing. Where they've just got them tagged and just,
Ryan Shelton: yeah, just [01:13:00] praise her out the back in the garage.
Mason Lauder: Real expensive pal bill.
Ryan Shelton: Oh, okay. Interesting. Wow. Okay. So there's a, you've got a delay you've got to, there's a press, press disaster PR crisis. You had a daily battle
Jess Lucas: by the looks of it. I haven't read it yet, obviously, but
Ryan Shelton: fairly well.
Jess Lucas: Well, we've had some really nasty ones from
Ryan Shelton: the convention. Yeah.
George Martin: Have you ever had one, right?
Ryan Shelton: No. No one cares about no.
George Martin: Someone will pick this up.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah.
George Martin: What would, what would the daily mail headline be from this episode? I wonder. Oh, and Shelton has brought us block for his next
Ryan Shelton: yeah. Ryan Shelton steels idea from too much tele producers.
Mason Lauder: Yeah. Any headline on the daily mail written about you? What would you have Ryan?
Ryan Shelton: Um, Ryan Shelton judged best.
best person, [01:14:00] because I would know they would have done this poll.
Jess Lucas: Um, I can tell you what would have come by the headline that would have come out of this episode.
Ryan Shelton: Oh yeah. Yeah.
Jess Lucas: Partly my fault. So apologies. Um, I think it would be Ryan Shelton abuses Cal to get footage because yeah,
Ryan Shelton: I bet your suggestion. I
Jess Lucas: bet the thing.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah.
Jess Lucas: They exaggerate words, you know? Yeah.
Ryan Shelton: Got to make a headline. Yeah. I mean, that'd be pretty if that was the worst that they could do, that'd be pretty
like, you know, like abuses cow, like.
Yeah, that's true. You guys are good. I don't know what I'm doing.
Mason Lauder: Thanks so much for coming.
George Martin: I think we've taken up enough of your
Ryan Shelton: time. Pleasure had a bloody ball.
George Martin: Oh, that was great. Now, thank you so much. Um, yeah, I mean, people will know who know me know how much you've [01:15:00] inspired me and you basically, the reason why I wanted to even get into this industry in the first place.
And real stories and stuff was just great. And I'm always recommending your stuff. I'm always sending it to PayPal. And making them watch it, sitting down with them, making them watch it.
Ryan Shelton: So, plus you just really love you for that.
Jess Lucas: She's your Christmas present.
Ryan Shelton: Yeah.
George Martin: But she was super supportive and generous with your time with the daily talk show and everything.
Ryan Shelton: So, ah, I love, I just love what you're all doing. I think it's just so, it's so exciting. I mean, this is, this is sort of the thing I remember thinking years ago. I'm sorry. I know we're wrapping up, but I remember thinking years ago, That it was back when you guys probably don't remember this, but when Conan O'Brien left tonight show, do you remember that?
Was that sort of on your rider? It was like a big kind of Hollywood, um, story, essentially Conan O'Brien who wanted the tonight show for a long time. Got it. Didn't write very well. And then they wanted to get rid of him [01:16:00] and it was this huge sort of Hollywood saga. Um, anyway, and so then it became about him trying to decide where he was going to go.
After NBC and all these few different networks were like trying to get him and trying to offering him all this money to do a tonight show on their network. And I remember thinking, and this would have been 10, 15 years ago, maybe longer. And I remember thinking he should just go online and do an online show.
This would have been probably 2010. I'm sure you can Google it. And. Cause I just, cause I, and I still think this is the case. Maybe it's maybe we've missed it now. Cause of podcasting is kind of taken it over a little bit, but it was like someone big has to move from the old media to the new, and then it will completely change the whole paradigm.
So like, I guess like kind of like what Howard stern did. Yeah. From a radio point of view, like [01:17:00] leaving commercial radio and going to like satellite rooms. Yeah. And how that kind of changed a lot of things. Um, I always sort of thought it would take someone really big, a huge name host to go, you know what?
I'm not going to, even though I could do a show on TV, I'm going to do a show, the same sort of show, but do it online. But then what's actually happened now is that, that never really happened. But what's actually happened is like lots of people, like you guys have just sort of done it and now it's become like this sort of ocean of like everyone doing this amazing stuff.
And I think it's exciting because it's still, it's still the wild West, even though it's, even though there's a lot more systems and there's, there's a lot more backing and there's now, um, You know that there are companies who are, who are advertising on shows like yours, excuse me. Shows like yours, um, sounded like I was choking up.
[01:18:00] Grace Peris: So,
Ryan Shelton: um, it's, it's, it's sort of, it's happening a lot more gradually and I think that's, I think that's even more exciting. I think it's, it's great. So I love, I just. Love love coming on because I just, I love being a part of it.
George Martin: It's really cool. Thank you.
Mason Lauder: YouTube, YouTube as well. Just like being like really stepping away from some of that bigger production stuff and showing people that you can actually push some, the cat online, like the videos that you do.
Ryan Shelton: I have to trust. Oh, I turned down a multimillion dollar contract channel nine and decided to make clips.
Grace Peris: But I think,
Mason Lauder: I think, I think. Create is coming up and just saying what you're putting out and it's for them. I think, I think that's inspiring. And like what George said around him being inspired to put stuff out, just realizing that you can actually do it without needing the backing or needing all of these permission and all of these people [01:19:00] behind you to, you know, cast and crews and all of that.
Just being able to do it yourself and make something really amazing and impactful. Um, yeah, I mean, I think you've just done an Epic job with that.
Ryan Shelton: Oh, thanks mate. That's lovely.
George Martin: So everyone should check out ryan.com. Ryan with 11 wise.
Ryan Shelton: Yup.
George Martin: New video coming on the 11th, featuring Lucas, the horse.
Mason Lauder: she get that from the wall?
Grace Peris: Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Yeah,
George Martin: I will say it. We'll just say that
Ryan Shelton: maybe an octopus new episode of the imperfect. This came out yesterday as well.
George Martin: Right. I love that. I mean,
Ryan Shelton: it's actually, it's, it's actually a pretty amazing story. It's this guy called Sam Willoughby, who you may or may not have heard of his art.
He was a weld Australian guy, world champion, BMX racer, and then had an accident, became paralyzed and it's, it's pretty. It's pretty wild, but really inspiring.
George Martin: My stain episode the other week was amazing.
Ryan Shelton: That was really good. Yeah. [01:20:00] Stains pretty, pretty awesome. So listen,
George Martin: listen to
Ryan Shelton: that
George Martin: and follow Ryan Shelton, graffiti on
Ryan Shelton: Instagram for some
George Martin: fun little videos,
Ryan Shelton: very occasionally
George Martin: Instagram as well. So. Yeah. Brilliant.
Ryan Shelton: Thank you very much. Want to thank you very much. Thank you very much. You hang up.