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It's Hump Day.

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Hump Day replay. back for another week of highlights Georgie boy here. And we got Miss 97 back in the building and on over zoom. And we've got beauty writer and founder of glow journal and host of the glow journal podcast. Queen gronk of the daily talk show Gemma watts.

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That's what they call. I should have got the

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and Miss we

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practice down is

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this you've absolutely nailed it.

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What's been going on, Jim? I've got a drink. Yeah, yeah, this might be surprised to both of you, but I've been drinking a lot more recently.

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Just I assume it's medicinal. Is it a coping mechanism? Only time will tell

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I'm sorry, I'm feeling I saw you. I saw your Insta story yesterday, after Dennis, life's announcement about the lockdown and everything.

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I mean, if I'm honest drink.

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I already had the plans to make spicy mugs. I had gone to the shop two days prior. And then I just thought, you know what, Jim, you can use text to capitalise on what has just happened. Yeah, within this state, and it's going to resonate with people and that it did

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It sure did. We had nigro knees last night I message you.

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Yes. You've inspired me.

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Yeah. So you got the Negroni today. I've actually

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I've got a raspberry cruiser.

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I mean, personally, I'm a guava woman, but

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really Osprey very nice. I don't know why I got this. Like, I feel like we're chatting the other day and did something come up where we were talking about having cruises

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you asked me my thoughts on Southern come fish, that's whether or not as a youth I drank it in parks and I said no I drink cruises in parks because I'm elegant.

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So I just like a russki. Yeah, they're very sweet. It's like pink lemonade. Yeah, great. does

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look like that. You could

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Yeah, it's it's literally a soft drink. contest the echo at all. No, it's just

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like, point, I suppose standard drink. I'm pretty sure.

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Yeah, it's actually one, right? Oh, goodness. Maybe I'm thinking of recipes.

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I've been drinking so many pre mixes of lice that they've all just blended into one another. Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. This is good. This is okay.

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What else are you making? Because you're always making cocktails at home.

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I am. I am I am. I really stepped up my cocktail making abilities of light. Because you just never have. I never feel like I have the time. Otherwise I'm like, Oh, I want to drink. So I'll just pull myself whatever is within arm's reach, which is usually one and now I'm like, well, I've got to fill in the day somehow. Yeah, look up a recipe. I'm big on a pornstar Martini. Now, because I asked the people, I'm so glad you asked, I asked the people of the internet, what I should make. And usually when I put it out to the people, they'll suggest negronis on migrators. And I'm like, Guys, I make these three times a day, I need to spice up my life. A pornstar Martini. It's like a passion for my tiny it's got a bit of vanilla vodka in there. So it's a bit Swedish, but then you serve it with a chilled shot glass of Prosecco. And then you see it between the two. So it's like, quite taut. And then what my mother did, which was very frustrating. Once she got halfway through the passionfruit Martini. She's like, you know what, I'm just going to top it up with the Prosecco. And it'll be like a beautiful, fizzy passion for a drink. And I said, No, that's not what the rules are. And she did it anyway. And then I had a sip of hers and it's actually the best thing I've ever had. So real mothers are always right. And us are stupid. What else have you been doing for fun? in isolation, I'm also doing zoom dance classes three times a week. Yeah, that's fun. I've been painting I haven't painted in a while, but that's fun. I've been cooking a lot more. I'm pretty good at having fun. Well, I mean, I've been drinking a lot. Putting music on and singing and dancing. I've never sung so much since high school. Do you have that moment where you might be singing in the car? And then for a split second, you're like, am I actually very good at this? And should I go on the voice because I had that moment. This morning on the way to the physio I was like, do

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I just quit my business? What are you seeing? Just everything, but

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I my voice lends itself to like jazz and blues. I have a deep voice. It is not the voice of a pop singer, and therefore mainstream popularity would never be on the cards for me. Even though Amy Amy Winehouse.

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Yes, and you know, how that turned out. So

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that Yeah, it just doesn't seem like it's the most viable Avenue. But, you know, we'll say, what's the space I suppose? I'm also not very good, but I just, you know, had a moment of Wow, Jimmy really good at everything and then I pulled into the physio and he was like your whole body's routed as I go. Okay, cool. Thank you. That was the reality check that I so desperately needed. Right?

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Well, speaking of fun, you said this at the end of unbeliev? 2019.

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I'm actually being super empathetic in 2020.

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Is that your word?

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My Word is Ayesha. Yeah. Yeah, I got no my word is enjoy because I feel like I didn't like I just rush through everything got home from Mecca land. And instead of just having a day of reflecting and thinking about how great it was, I'm straight on the phone to my manager like okay, what are we going to do next? Next Next future,

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right. What do you do? Joshua is clean.

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My mom would she looks like you're not enjoying him. You can't possibly enjoy it with how quickly you're writing

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that girl.

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Yeah. I mean, what have you enjoyed about 2020?

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The first two and a half months will pretty good. Yeah. You know what, I can't complain. I'm very fortunate to still be working. I have my health, everything on my end is okay. But I think

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I think really, I sort of

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that the word still applies, have I followed it? Not in the slightest, because the whole reason I picked you and joy was because I would, there would there were a lot of milestones that I ticked off last year. And, you know, as you've just heard in the snippet, I didn't give myself a moment to sit in that feeling. So that was my plan for this year. Have I you know, ticked any milestones this year, not a one. However, I could have been using this Time of lack of this sounds so silly. But I have all this extra time because I'm not having to put a face on, do my hair. I'm not in Sydney every three weeks like I was last year. I feel like I could have been using this time to just do all these extra fun things that I've wanted to do. But instead I've just amped up my copywriting business and haven't given myself to enjoy a time to enjoy solitude either. So when the 19th jemar is, is a big joke,

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when when you talk about ticking off those milestones, what is what does that mean for challenges like have you? Have you been challenging yourself? Or were those milestones outside of the copywriting?

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Well, it's fun. I'm not a big I'm very like future oriented, but I'm not big on specific goals. It's like that Zoey said it on the daily talk show about just doing good work in the moment because I know my personality type but if I set those specific goals, I would just close myself off to other things. So it's things like mega land. bytecodes the first glide journal live event, that sort of thing. But literally while I'm on stage speaking, there's a bit of a voice in my head that's like, Okay, what are you going to do next bitch? What's after this? So they were Yeah, they were like big Korea moments, I guess. And I in a sense this year has been a big career year thus far as far as the copywriting business. And I have said from day one, that I need to have multiple income streams because it's important that there's longevity beyond just Instagram and the blog. So I have proven that to be correct. But I still haven't given myself any time to be like,

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oh, john jam. Yeah. Now

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I think this year as well, for me, it's like, yeah, appreciating being busy, and just having lots of things on. I feel like I almost feel guilty in a way that you Yeah, there's so many people out there that are struggling and stuff. And yeah, I have But feeling like he's having so much on and thriving it's just it's been like isolation has been the best thing for me personally

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that's great. I definitely feel guilty like just dumb things like I signed up for master class in March haven't even activated my buddy account. Yes. Oh yeah.

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What am I good I mean her needs to now that we've seen

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a sample elsewhere.

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So if you were to transport back to that time where you chose your word for 2020 knowing what you know now what do you think you you would have said? I think I would keep the word I think

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maybe the issue is with present day Gemma not taking time to enjoy this time, like I've definitely I said it on daily talk show the other week. I've definitely learned what my capacity is, but I could, I don't know it's a funny one because you just don't know what would come from the alternative but I could have stuck with the workload that I had last year and even early this year, and then actually enjoyed the extra time on either side. landline. How

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draka?

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Is that hooked up to the ticket? Like, can someone else pick that up in another room? Or is

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it Yeah, I can pick it up. Now. I don't particularly want to

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say Where are you sitting? You're in an office. This is the

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little study. Yes. There's Um, there's a lot of Richmond football club paraphernalia right later, McGuire. Richmond won the Premiership in 1943. When we were a good team.

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So dice Yeah, there's it's a little dinky little thing. Um,

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it's good, though. It's good having a separate space to work, but I don't have any storage for any of my beauty products. But

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yeah, that's right.

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I'll get there. One of the things that I think is a bit of a brand value for you, it's nostalgia. Yeah. We, we loved going back through some of your tweets and some of your old Facebook posts and pulling out a bunch of posts and comments you had made. And we've put together a little game called what's real and what's not.

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what's real Jim? What's Bo? what's real Joe? But Bo, guess the quote and if it's yours, or if it's someone else.

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It's a guessing game run by Mason.

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Yeah, we did spell watts. W TTS. 80. Thank you.

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It's funny. sad things. Don't make me cry. But that did.

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Sorry, yeah. I've gone through and pulled out a bunch of things from your social media. And you and George have to guess If you set it if you set it or if it's something that's made up

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you know what's wild about this service? Am I rising saying in saying sorry that you're not a big Brooklyn nine nine fan?

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Yeah. Don't like Andy saying hi Tandy, just not funny.

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So interesting because this is a game that they played with Captain halt,

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really

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where they they got him drunk, and they all had to say whether or not Holt had said something and he was in the room and he got some wrong so Wow, I'm sure I will too. I'm excited. Andre brown content again. He's on glides, right? Who knows what watse will achieve.

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This is great. All right.

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So the first one is from 2016. Summer is just around the corner. And there's no better time to add a pop of colour to your beauty look.

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Ah, hey, once again. Nice. So

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Alright, you got it. Go.

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This is the sort of thing I would write, not under my own name as like, like full one of my clients, like the number of things that I write where it's like, when we're deep in winter, and the skin barrier is more compromised than ever like that. That is definitely a thing. So I'm sure I would have written that very sentence at a time. But I'm going to say 2016

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or first year of running the business full time, so

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I will say yes to just about anything I'm going to say. Yeah, I did say it.

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Really? I was gonna say, I was gonna say, it doesn't sound like you. I'm gonna say no, Jimmy's got it. Ah, what was it in reference to? Literally that tweet? Oh, I can't believe it was a

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tweet, I would have been taking the piece.

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All right, because I've never I've never one colour in my life. I assumed that was something that I

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rely on. So if I tweeted it, no He's a jag. These are all pulled from your personal pages. That's a huge, huge clue. The next 120 14 Who says you can't wear PJs all day long?

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No, I said that I can you know, you definitely said that. All right, can you okay? That's Jim.

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Jim is right. It's Naomi Watts. Ah,

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watts.

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I knew straightaway that that wasn't me because I if I spent Yeah, that's exactly right. Now you've hit the nail on the head.

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Okay.

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Here we go. From 2013

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they always put an overwhelming number of pillows on hotel beds. I would have said that.

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Yep. I'll say yes. You both got it.

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I'm good at this. It's almost like I know.

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She sounds cool.

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Okay, he sounds like she'd be a really good singer.

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2018

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I'm gonna have a glass of wine when I want. Oh,

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this feels like a trick question because it is something that you Yeah,

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it would be I wouldn't even said I would word it like that.

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Yeah, it's weirdly written.

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Yeah.

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Never close unless I was drawn when I want. No, no, I don't think I don't think I said that. I'm gonna say yes.

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Gemma's got it again.

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Me Watson. Health magazine.

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Oh Naomi, my cousin.

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Do you know how many people I've tricked into thinking she's my cousin and also jack watts who used to pay for Melbourne?

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Yeah, livable.

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foodie, what do you think?

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Yeah, cuz I'm so athletic. Okay.

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For 2013 if I wore beige, nobody would know who I am.

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Now, that wasn't me.

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Nobody would know who I am. I mean, yeah, I think I'll just say yes.

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That's actually Queen Elizabeth.

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different grades like

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I'm currently I'm currently wearing khaki. This is the most colour I have worn in about 10 years.

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So would you you do wear beige?

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Yeah. All the time. Hmm.

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Is it? Is it a summer fit like when do you when my linens

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remember when we remember when we were allowed to be around people and we had actual in person Friday night drinks at Moondog on you saves you like You look like you've just been on holiday because I was in like full linen on linen. loosey goosey by I just love a beige linen.

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That is nice. Okay, that's good to know. Good with a tan. Fake Of course.

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The last one from 2017. My Uber driver is having an allergic reaction to my perfume.

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Hundred percent. I remember it vividly.

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Really what And

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when the window down and was like

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you were an avid it would be users while before you got your car you still doing that?

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I it's funny you say that I actually spoke to my accountant about this on Friday because normally I am able to claim a lot of Ubers on tax because they're to and from events. And I used to go to events I don't know if you guys remember them, but it's like a group of people coming together and and just enjoying life. So outside.

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Boring. Yeah,

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yeah. So they used to be a thing that I often do for work. So I would claim those overs to on farm and if I had meetings in the city or like Chrome on a truck to get a car parked and crumble and who has the time, so I would just sit in an Uber and then I could do emails, I could do whatever I damn well placed. I'll have a one when I watch. I would have so many my spread. I love a spreadsheet. have so many Ubers and like Julian from where it took me about three minutes to get together last financial years last quarter's deductions for my accountant because I haven't taken an Uber since March. He's like Where? Where are all the claims?

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I have no role here. I nearly piece your pants in an Uber as well.

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Oh my god. I swear

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to god every time I get in an

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Uber ice I immediately have to go the toilet. Yeah, I've never

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I've never done it. But we did have to stop at the what was once called Boland Leisure Centre, but now is called potentially boroondara Sports Complex. We have not dug up that CCTV footage, but I it's not far from my home. But I had to get the driver to pull in. And I basically hurdled over the gate there. Did you have to go through

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Oh, yeah. What about vomit? Have you ever had to pull over and vomit?

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No, I'm not. I think the main be one of the daily one of the first daily talk show episodes. I was talking to her. And she's not

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the guy not have it's

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didn't actually make it. It sort of came out in the Uber Bay. I gave him 40 bucks to clean it up.

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I vomited in a taxi pray overs and that's because I got my drink sparked and the taxi driver was very aware. And then he didn't charge me is a very, very nice.

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I feel like I think I've had my

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drink spot once before as well. Not fun.

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No, exactly. It's a very different

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Yeah, feeling is just like you just suddenly going dizzy.

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That intellect.

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Yeah, I got home and told my parents they weren't my real parents. So they were like, Oh, you are on drugs. Oh,

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God. Oh, wow. That's not good.

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Yeah. All right. Well, let's be now what's really what

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did I get to do I get 100% correct. And I was gonna say I don't test well, but yeah, no one Going back to the gym or until it is suck it up.

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So one year ago, we had Miss 97 bleaches here a

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special day.

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You get it done in a professional environment or at least someone professional. I could imagine someone like Gemma was

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playing gronk if Queen gronk was doing it we can give you a fucking mask.

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Breathing any of it in. Yeah,

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great. Now do you do it? As long as Jim can fix it, and

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what do you mean fix it? So how can we have

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like a chance? It won't be it'll be less than awake. What? To fix it so you can't get it gone dude. bleach is what it's bleach. not permanent, not

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permanent but like five years isn't permanent.

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Yeah, hang on, hang on. I don't think you understand why this made it just I thought it's just fixed in like no two way no no fixing your your hair growing out is what fixes that. So if you want to grow our own hair, you have To start from the start, which is the re growth

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there, you actually will

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look quite fashionable. You do the fashionable. I

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remember hearing that I remember it so vividly because I was in Sydney, and I was there I had been emceeing an event the night before. And then I was doing like back to back recordings to the podcast the next day and I was in my hotel room getting ready. I was just playing it out of my phone. And I remember like, you just got it on in the background. And I remember hearing JJ saying, oh, we'll just get Gemma watts to do it. And I have stopped in my tracks. And I'm like, No, I'm a beauty writer. I'm a journalist.

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I don't.

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And what point did we decide that I do hair? I don't understand. So I then I was about to panic.

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Call Josh and Tommy and then I clicked into work mode and I was like, now I've got a better idea. And I went to, I was working out of my manager's office. And I was there and I made a quick call to Indiana from simply social who looks after Joey scan T cell and PR. And I was like, this is gonna sound crazy. Bob, and I filled her in on everything that was happening. And she was like, I'll call the salon. I'll be back in 15. And then sure enough, 15 minutes later, she's like, yeah, we're on for Friday, or whatever day of the week it was, and then call Josh and I was like, Hi. make yourself available Friday morning because the number one colorist in Australia is

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like she's

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I'm so glad you did as well. But I was like, isn't that grab you can hear just I didn't really have no idea. I didn't I didn't realise that it was more than like, I just thought it was like a little semi permanent. Yeah, like it. It's done within like a week you'll be back to normal. I didn't realise a strict old like I mean it's pretty clear

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that give you a going DACA sure you can do that semi permanent but this is taking the car out of your hair It could have been fixed so because they would just do a permanent colour to like your base time but then that takes a few guys for the colour to take anyway done now because it's funny

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as bit in the when you actually getting it done. And

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and I think Tommy was like, Oh, I can see the colour. I can see the colour coming through and you're

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like it was running down.

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You're like can you actually

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see the brown coming up?

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Pulling the brown out

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of absolute panic? I yeah, no, I was I was so nervous on the day, but then I mean, yeah, right, Jamie? Yeah, it was so good. I she really liked it. She taught

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me how to cut my friends. I haven't had my hair done since October cuz she just told me what to do. Really cry. Yes, genius.

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He said you're cutting your hair in isolation. Yeah, I

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actually haven't had the links cut since October, October. It was like collarbone Length I like to get it cut really short and then grow it really long and then cut it again, purely because I love attention. And if you just have a trim, no one really notices but if you cut half your hair off now like oh my God, what a huge change.

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Does your boyfriend ever notice? Do you get you crack it?

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Yes. No, he's pretty. He's pretty observant. He'd be more likely because I feel like boys get haircuts. So often he'd be more likely to be like, how am I notice anything?

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That's my phone. Like I haven't had a haircut for weeks months. Great hair. Just a bit too long. I reckon. What are your what could I do? I think I think the hair I think the long hair looks really good. It's been 19

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it's no it's a bit Harry Styles. It's very current.

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I think it's paying I think it looks great. Real healthy. Like there's not yeah To a JPA hashtag bond

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I boost ambassador.

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Yes.

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Well Jason bond Oberst Certainly,

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the face of the brand is a wonderful person. She's an incredible incredible voice so Sir,

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can you hook me up with a deal?

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This every chance that I could I got saved was hair bleached by the top colorist in that country.

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What's your favourite celebrities? drastic hair change in rate? I mean, Brittany was a real they're real

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periods right? Like you have these massive stand up. I'm like Brittany, like what I mean, I'm not really across lips. But does that happen nowadays where they're just having massive?

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Yeah, Emily ratajkowski just went from very, very dark to like, peroxide blonde. She really she's essentially copied Mr. 97. Yeah. Which I assume that's where she got the idea from. I can't imagine anyone else but here they still happen.

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Actually wouldn't mind doing the blonde

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You've got to do it. Everyone's got to be blonde at some point in their life, I think did you

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go full blonde?

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Yes, I have. I will. I'll send visual evidence, right. I've had just about every colour except red

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Really? done by every colour. I mean, doc and lots.

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What about like the purple spectrum? Do you ever go tempted to die? Howard?

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I'm not cool enough. And I think it's important to know your strengths. And mine is not that.

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Yeah. Like Billy Eilish is here like, Yeah, but she's cool. She's

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cool. Look at us just a few experts talking about

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just a bunch of hair guys. So can hear

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this conversation came up the other day on the show.

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What dog breed would you be?

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If you were a dog?

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Can I get one for you? Yeah, please pick up for me. I'm just I'm just scrolling through.

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I know what you are straightaway. What am I

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you're a Siberian Husky. Mason is a bernese Mountain dog. I yeah, yeah. Big cuddly fella

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what's jeebies? A dash hound?

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Because he's he's the most Hip Hip person on our team. Billy under dash.

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So what am I mean? I like because Jessica told you that Chihuahua No, definitely not a chihuahua

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Chihuahua

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that was not a effect that was actually just his voice.

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Incredible by hearing it in the moment was just

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I wasn't expecting it. It was

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that conversation threw me into an absolute spiral though I did not get any work done for the rest of the day. I had to email all my clients and just say look, I'm so sorry. Something has come up that requires thought and research. And I i understand that I have deadlines as well. Afternoon but unfortunately I won't be meeting them and you need to be aware of why.

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What did you

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mean? I'm not happy with mine to start with sausage? Why? It's just just not a

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as if I get it how great this are fun little

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when I was thinking about stuff

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so fun when I was thinking about mine I was like, I it's it's very difficult because there are dogs that you might love but you are not necessarily that dog and I'm like, I love sports. I love the cute fun funny dogs. I'm not I'm never gonna be a sausage dog.

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What do you think you are?

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I thought long and hard about it. Yeah, cuz I

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I really I do love like I'm obsessed with corgis. I think they're the best things in the whole world are you I'm

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Queen Elizabeth Hathaway.

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Yeah, and like, obviously my royal ties. So I did think about that, but I was like, I'm not cute enough. Enough. So I think where I've landed, both physically and I suppose spiritually is potentially a Rough Collie, like a Lassie, dog, obviously, because the hair but also because of Rough Collie. I believe they have the ability to herd sheep and I'm quite bossy. And I think I could take charge of a large group with ease, and I would thrive in that environment. So that's, I think that's where I've landed. So what would you pick? JB? I don't know.

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Like, ours are setelah Eric and looks a bit like me.

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Lonely Shay, long, long ish, almost braid hair.

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But it's hard as well, because I think Josh and Tommy said it's difficult to type yourself.

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Yeah, sure. So

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I was I was thinking about this for scooter and PE.

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Oh, yeah. Great.

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Yeah. And, I mean, the first thing that came to mind, just in terms of the personality of the Like pate is get the dog has speech something that's like real active real happy loves to be at the park loves playing.

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I've got one for him.

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Really? What were you thinking?

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I would have said a bernese Mountain dog, which is what they've given you, but probably for the same reasons because I feel like they're bounding around. And also, I think that they're quiet calm and pay is very like, calming he has a calming presence in my life. I've talked to him most days when I need someone to just be like, Hi Jim. Just shake it out. And I would hope that I have the opposite effect on him. I hope I you know, fill him with a bit of chutzpah, but he's very caught not that he doesn't have that already. But I think he's like a very calming, like very intelligent, just if you need to vent and I feel like bernese Mountain dogs are supposed to be very calming and clever.

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Yeah, I was. I was thinking either like a golden retriever vibe. Mm hmm. Or something like a border collie. Just so real active,

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something that bounce around. Yeah. As to be one that likes water as well. He loves to swim. It's good. I'm

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good. I'm good wingspan. He's

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he's gonna love this.

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And then and then scooter.

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scooter is a French Bulldog.

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Really?

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Yeah. Without without any thought screwed up is like, you look at screwed up and you're immediately like, this guy's got stories. And I feel like when I look at a French Bulldog, I look at them and I'm like, you've been here before you, you know, all sorts of Tales. You've lived to, to tell me them through your eyes. And there'll be quirky

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created by humans like Oh, the Jays are old.

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Now screwed is just like the he saw I just you look at a French Bulldog. And you just I can't not just grin when I look Get them every time I leave any interaction we've screwed up. I'm like, Yes. This is what I needed. I was slightly biassed, but I felt like a like a Schnauzer would be skipped. Just a bit wise, like, you know, like you said, so many stories, and I feel like the beat on the Schnauzer, really? And the salt and pepper vibe. Okay, give skirt the that's a good call.

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We've both gone. We'd like small, funny dogs.

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What about like, I mean, he's a bit of a bikey almost, which would be like a bull terrier.

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Bull Terrier is the one where the whole face is its nose. Yeah, yeah. No, he's

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hanging out in tattoo shops. And so another thing that came up this week was talk of Miss nice Evans birthday.

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Are you 21st is November

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Yeah, November, one November one. Can we

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celebrate everyone's on my birthday?

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Not might you need you 24 Yeah,

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that you thought about I know what he's trying to do he's trying to pump up the numbers to get a beat I get it I get it but now what sort of cake Do you want serves

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real I want one with blue icing. Real good for the

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chocolate underneath with a bit of icing on top blue.

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Yeah, the daily talk show blue or

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Yeah,

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we Yeah, we can have the daily torture logo at the top of it as well

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feel like you don't see your

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blue birthday cakes after sort of the age of five. Five.

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Yeah. blues a weird choice. What is no

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see My mind went straight to Tiffany's. What's that? Oh,

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yeah. No, like the

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jewellery like Tiffany blue. You know? Yeah. Oh, he wants beautiful elegant cupcakes.

33:53
Well, cuz cuz What happened? I have this photo because for all my birthdays we went to like Act boxhill action indoor sports, you'd be mad not to, which is like it's like a it's an indoor sports place and climbing and stuff, not like Sokka Sokka Sokka indoor foot like footsore sort of courts, and

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it's still there.

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Yeah and so that and so they've got like you can play cricket there you can play soccer. Like for

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my all my paints and canvases from across the road the athletic people on one side of me with my canvases

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is great because you got every every birthday party you'd come out with a trophy while it's like did

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you go to just play games against each other and just play football?

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Yeah, you

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invite a bunch of kids and you just play a bunch of games and just run around the whole time and then have food afterwards. And so one of one of the cakes been made was like a big I think it might have been chocolate cake candidate but it was a big blue cake and it had like divers on it and fish and stuff cuz I always love diving. I was obsessed with it. Hide it now but I was so obsessed with it. Why do you hate it now? It's too scary. Oh, I love it. It's sad that's too scary. Like what? What like shocks and shit like that's,

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that's one of my many dreams is to swim with sharks off

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green Really? Yeah.

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But um yeah, sorry Greiner. Shaco still scary as well.

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It was really bad visibility. Like we could only say maybe two metres in front of us. I

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don't know if it's close. Yeah. That's my dream. Yeah. What were you saying? said?

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Yeah. So I had one of those cakes. And yeah, I think I just I've always had an obsession with that with that blue. And with that cake like it's I always say photos of it scrolling past like Google Photos. I was like, Yeah, I'd love that. What did you do for your What was your birthday? Like? What case did you have?

35:51
It definitely had one of the ones where you have the Barbie doll and then the skirt. It's like a ball gown and that's okay. All right. Really, that makes sense. Um, I had my 21st the cake was it was a circus themed party. So the cake was the big top. And then I had like little cupcakes with top hats on them. I had my 11th birthday party was really good. The cake was a big pink

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handbag.

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Not a girly girl at all. That was a pop star themed party.

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Did you have parties like every year? You seemed like somebody would have

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only child? Yes, I was gonna say only child. My parents like any excuse to have people over. Yeah, they're into it. But I am the 11th Actually, I will send you both a photo of the 11th birthday was a was a pop star slumber party. And we would have you know how you can have an actor like a children's entertainer come to the house and pretend to be a fairy and like play games. This one was a pop star. And we really believed that she was a pop star. We just like hadn't heard her music yet. So we she taught us a dance. I think she probably left a demo for my godmother who knows what she said when she was a pop star. Yeah, like she was an actor hired to play the role of pop star as you would hire an actor to play the role of very sorry to anyone listening to this, the thought of real fairy came to your party and an amateur theatre performer did

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die now it's come to you.

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Then that would be they'd be doing well. They're on there. Um, yeah, so we do the pop star routine and we had you when you're a kid, you don't understand that anyone can make a lanyard. They seem very official. We all had lanyards that were that had on instead of a VIP pass. It said SC o pass and in brackets under it. It said sleeping chicks only and we all had they each had a picture on them. Then your name and mine said, Gemma and then in brackets, Polly girl.

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I sometimes wear that around if I need to get in places, which are guys, I've got my Sai posh.

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We should get some lanyards for your 21st.

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Well, I mean, we've had a couple of discussions. I think we said that a scout hole might have been the location.

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Yeah. And that's when they said, Oh, we'll get grant smiley today, Jay,

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what's wrong with that?

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Nothing but I just feel like that we're going through a phase where they were like, We know grant smiley.

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will get him to DJ 21st. I floated the idea of get your pool filled, and make it a pool party and make it like a shrine. Yeah. Congrats. That's that's a thing. You can have you blue icing. It can be like a beach themed cake.

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Oh, yeah, that would be so much fun.

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Do I need like a cot with like an umbrella coming across and it's like drinks being said, like what else? That's a great idea.

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Yeah, I love that. I think you need to be specific in a dress code because I joined pages all encompassing. I would be doing slim Aaron's 1970, poolside, which is just one specific artwork. But there was a swimwear. Oh, I'll just I'll send references but they're all in like linens and like big hats and they look very elegant.

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Do you like a theme gem? You seem like someone who would love to dress

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the same? Oh, I've never done a themed maybe just the 21st could be a first. I love a fame when I was Vice capitano at coonan any excuse when they were like we need to raise money for this. I'm like, Well guess we're doing a dress up day. Gemma that's actually really annoying for a lot of people and teachers. And I'm like, Well, I already put it in the newsletter. So we're doing

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and what's the guy with like speeches and stuff is who has to do a speech at services? 21st You think?

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Uh, I mean, probably Andre

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Coconut crew boys get to a stage. And then you just have to say thank you for coming.

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We're back. Let's grab

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my speech. I

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think a partner doing that controversial but a partner doing the speech. I just don't think there's a huge point because they're, they're gonna say the same thing. There was a running gag. The year that I turned 21 my party was at the end of November. By the end of the year, I was like every speech is the same. So then I started when people would play like a video of Happy Birthday at that party. Even if I didn't know the person friends or friends were like, Jim, can you do that one speech that happens in every party so big. Hey, guys.

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Happy Happy birthday. Um,

40:47
I mean, where do I start? She's not really a friend. She's more like a sister. So many inside jokes way too many to mention. Cena is what I'm talking about.

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Yeah, I guess they say that a true friend is when you can go to their house and go straight to the fridge without asking. I think that's true about us. I'll I'll leave it up there I could go on for days Happy Birthday babe wishing you the best night ever you so deservers and the parents would watch sending me like wow what a beautiful speech from your friend and they're like I don't know.

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good

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GPA you get it like is it gonna be highlights reel? Is that a noxious of may requesting a highlights reel? It's a great idea.

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I should very Gemma move I should do.

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You should definitely say videos like that's my love language, I reckon. Really?

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Yeah, it's not very specific.

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My love language only comes out on milestone birthdays. And

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once you

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Yeah, we had a videos at my 21st my godparents instead of speaking. They played my showreel from when I was a child star. Really justified every piece of television I From the ages of like four to 12

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that was my trick in school instead of doing speeches, it would just be play a video, like make a video, record my voiceover and then just stand up the front and literally just hit play. Play out my speech.

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It's like the tech savvy equivalent of a poster. Yeah. I won't be doing an oral presentation. I've made this elaborate poster. Whereas I was like, Oh, you want a two minute speech? buckle up. mangoes for 35. Doesn't need to.

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So the other big news that's happening on the first of November, this is crazy. November one is Episode 900 of

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the daily talk show. I mean, how about right?

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So what are the dang chances? Imagine if you hadn't done that very, very crazy period of doing two shows a day. It was all

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intentional. lined up. Well, the thing about it.

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Yeah, man. Find it out. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's great. I think so the Pool Party vi what was the exact terminology again, Jen?

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Is it slim Aaron's

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1970? poolside slim? Aaron's

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Ah, yeah, here we go. And it's like a series of artwork, poolside Am I thinking of? Yeah, so quite bright ish. Yeah, very like. Yeah. Like undecided wealth. That's I mean the vibe. This The Lord is are not understanding wealth they're they're just wealth money

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cash

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is cash. All right

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that's exciting I think I think that's a great theme I quite like that first sunsmart as well because she can wear the big hats. Yes, right. Absolutely.

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And you obviously will all be wearing the Roche posay anthelios XL ultralight fluid

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that'll be on taffy plus broad

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spectrum

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Right actually having all that those on all the tables around the pool real resort vibe

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yeah

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and also like a bit also open with your

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feet when I think it was one of your first episodes on the show after you left Josh notice something

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we've had Gemma on the show before Gemma what and I have said I think that she smells like my girlfriend Bree yeah we'll just take the bit wit and finish it where I think Gemma smells is gonna loot that bill a little grab. And so I which is a good thing because you love you girlfriend Bray. And so, Jemma said that she's a mad for fragrances and she actually has a spreadsheet that she's made that has all of her favourite perfumes and she's broke them down to notes so that she could tell whether there's overlap and work out the like, favourite now it's actually fucking genius.

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His genius

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thing they've said a couple of times on the show they like, like I'll do an episode then the next day they're like, Oh, she smells so good. They will often be the pause between she smells and

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she's on spreadsheet.

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Yeah, like you Jim. You said that over that is

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a great spreadsheet.

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Yeah, I mean the the RG version was really detailed and I broke down the notes because at that point I didn't have as many fragrances but now you know, as my Korea has developed, so to speak, you've both now seen a visual of my perfume collection and equal Yeah,

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it looks like a home bar. Like we're all the like the spirits instead of spirits. It's perfumes. So you got about 2030 perfumes on

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Yeah, I've not counted them but it would be

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pushing, I reckon probably more than 30

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really, which is disgusting. No one needs that many things but lack,

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but just on like the writing down the notes to see if there's any overlay Remember when Hamish and Andy Andy did the Hamish did the Andy by Hamish cologne.

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Yeah, you I got that. Yeah, yeah. And it's a beautiful fragrance. Yeah,

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I think no saying that they had like five different ones to choose from. They'd be interest that's it'd be crazy to

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say for the fragrance work yeah.

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So I wonder if like Andy behind me is exactly the same as Like

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Beckham or whatever not because they put it on

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there the way, a very brief overview of how, like often celebrity beauty brands work not just perfume, but it could be like anything. There are businesses that have in house chemists and they just create formulas and you can go in and buy that formula. So the formula is, like, patented, but you then purchase it, it's already been created and developed and you put your night mohnish

46:55
and then the other way of doing it,

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like you can obviously be involved every step of the process. But that's a lot more time, money and effort. Or you can do what I assumed Hamish did where you go in and you'd give them a rough idea and then they'll give you a few options from what i've potentially already formulated. Yeah. Wow, that's full on. So we are confusing supply chain.

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We we thought to finish off, we could play a little game. And essentially what it involves is already out the name of a perfume and give you a tiny bit of detail on the overall scent. So, for example, I've got one up here, Jo Malone, London, orange bitters cologne. And it's the warmest winter of cocktails. That's the fragrance that they're going for. I want you guys because they've always got great descriptions on fragrances going into the whole vibe. What what smell is how you feel when you wear them. I would love you guys to workshop ah by yourselves. A description for fragrance.

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Okay, great. And I know

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Yeah, I am a copywriter B I'm a copywriter in the beauty space and see if this is my

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good good luck Good luck George.

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Jim has lives Another thing I used when I was first started writing this is before I'd started my business but I was just writing for others. I had a spreadsheet of black evocative words.

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Right, that's what I did in English as well for all my essays. I just have a set of about six words and you just squeeze them in.

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Yeah, I mean evocative is a good one.

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All right, so the first so that I've picked ones that are a little bit self explanatory, so it'll give you a few prompters to come up with little little story about them. The first one is Jo Malone wood, sage and sea salt and the overall vibe for it is a musky sort of smell scent. I would cool if you're trying a little primer for

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I've got the picture in my head of what I want to say this is often where I start

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perfect. Um,

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to me it smells like this is not the description I would use but it smells like a winter's day at the beach like late in the day and but you've also got, you know, like bush land behind you. That's the smell. It's Woody, but it's like salty, and quite airy. That's how it smells so that I've just given you a big Helping Hand George.

49:45
I would say camping with your family by the ocean. So go drive, Jim. See, I would be saying something like, like the salty air waafs off the ocean. As the clouds roll in,

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okay, Jim has absolutely nailed it escaped the every day along the windswept shore waves breaking white the air fresh with sea salt and spray alive with the mineral scent of the rugged cliffs mingling with the woody earthiness of sage, lively, spirited and totally joyful.

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Yes.

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Yes, but I do I got all of that in one sentence. So

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Who's winning?

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The next one?

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Gold field and banks desert rosewood, warm and spicy.

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And it's unisex. And Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban both wear it

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real and

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the perfumer Dimitri Weber has been on the go general podcast real well. So I'm absolutely

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right. Go for it. jp, give us a little rundown of what you think the vibe is walk through the busy streets

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grabbing some straight food, probably in Asia and the smell of the fire coming out of the barbecue

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will warm your heart

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coming along.

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I should have given you what it actually smells like beforehand so it's like not even a beer. So it's it's like spicy but it's it's like a cedar wood base and also there's just rosewood George desert rosewood, the whole like ethos of Goldfield and bank. So Dimitri is from Belgium but he moved to Australia and he wanted to develop sense that we're really Australian so it's all like Australian natives. Yeah, I'm so super interesting.

51:58
Yeah,

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yeah. just gave us a quick little rundown.

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It's very sexy. It's got like it's like it's not tobacco but it's got a bit of that it's got that. Yeah, I think there's a leather note in there perhaps it dries down to a leather but I would say something like, as date night once to an end we sit in front of the fireplace and then it would go dot dot dot,

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like Wow, that's great.

52:21
So this is this is what they've written. Desert rosewood presents a rich amber woody fragrance that evokes thick, arid, deep forests. A heady rush, a resinous Australian desert rosewood reveals a sweetness of Mandarin and vanilla before finally settling into an exotic blend of wood and spices.

52:45
It's the fireplace and it's your boyfriend's cologne. It is sexy. Really?

52:50
Nice. Yeah. It's one really beautiful fragrance

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to do. This. Might need help on the pronounciation Is it me, hon?

52:59
Yeah. They based in Fitzroy Mian, aromatic really great,

53:03
yeah, so this is mehan aromatics guilty story. Also say IRS. irresponsible and lustful is a little tagline. JB Do you wanna build a little story around this?

53:16
Okay irresponsible and lustful snake Homer, a late night on the town and cuddle up into bed with this on

53:30
the theme of it is accurate it's a warm, spicy fragrance. Again, unisex I'm pretty sure all of Mehanna medics fragrances are designed to be unisex. It's a bit I would describe it as being in the same family as Goldfield emax, desert road rosewood and more like mainstream fragrance that I'd liken it to is Tom Ford black orchid. Also unisex also very sexy.

53:55
I don't know how they've described it, but to me, it smells like

54:01
Like inside the collar or the nape of the neck of like a very, very fancy, older man, perhaps I

54:08
would say something about skin. I would use the word sensual in there. We won't go into details but George was right with the overall theme, I think. Thank you.

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So that intent on getting lost in heady afflictions Ritchie's good. head is rush, ritually rubbery, stubbornly unattainable and inviting to touch hot like a sunlit carb on it. Yes, smooth like the inside of an oyster shell. A familiar same that's hard to catch and harder to forget. These are

54:45
crazy. Yeah.

54:48
rotting these things.

54:50
That is they would often start with that description. They'd be like, this is what I want it to smell like and then they would go into development

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which is inside of an oyster. Yeah, that's the most

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used come on and inside of the oyster shell rich travelling,

55:07
like everyone can relate to that. That's Yeah,

55:09
I know exactly. But yeah, this last one.

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Crazy. Okay great deal hypnotic poison.

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Oh, okay, this is not from my spreadsheets. This is not from your spreads. Yeah,

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I thought I thought I'd throw a little spanner in the works. I think that's

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fun that I know which fragrances are my own.

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Plus

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do hypnotic poison magical and bold.

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Okay, it's boys, it's Dior, so it would be

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hypnotic poise and there would be a vanilla note in there. Do you have a floral note or I can insert I didn't have mask finishing up after a

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heading to a black tie event. That's not about you wouldn't write that.

56:00
A lot of follow along the lines of hypnotic poison magical, bald. Yeah, but

56:06
just imagine the ads of it. Like there's always like a woman walking through a ballroom and then there's a man behind a pill of it's like, looking from behind and she'll sort of toss a hair over. I showed him like, Oh my god, and then she'll go outside and then he'll meet her outside and then they'll like both touch the perfume bottle at the same time. And then there'll be,

56:26
yeah, the moon just in the back.

56:28
They are the most high budget perfume, commercials. Sorry. Alright,

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so pull up in your fancy car. Hop out. And it smells like the engine is running hot in your heart, on your neck, but also

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in the car that you just drove up in.

56:58
Jim You slipped

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down the lane way and back in through a secret door. Where will the night take you? Again?

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That's good, actually. Thank you, john.

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Do you want to change? The question I like finishing with the question the mystery of deals legendary for bitten Froot Loops lives on a magical modern filter with a pH

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that blends femininity with boldness for Chris the two are

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mutually exclusive. For contrasting facets intoxicating bitter arm and coffee. opulent sambac Jasmine. Mm hmm mysterious Jacaranda and sensuous vanilla and musk make for a compelling the witching fragrance fusion intoxicating and extravagant. Jim you nailed

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you put hypnotic in any name. And you know it has all of us.

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Yeah.

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That's great. Well done, gentlemen. Wow, man, I get

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to keep my job.

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I'm definitely not going to be a copywriter anytime soon.

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less competition for me.

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All right. Thanks so much for joining us, Jim. That was lots of fun. It's not a good lunch that it's great. You can follow Jim Jim Chi watts on Instagram.

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